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Backdrop Choices - Muslin, Paper, Drops, etc.?

 
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Nov 18, 2013 12:04 |  #1

I'm trying to do more portrait photography - a lot of young kids and possibly newborn photography in the future. I currently have a backdrop stand, but I'm totally lost on which backgrounds to use. Being my daughter is 14mo old, I think seamless white paper would get destroyed.

Right now, I'm using a gray fleece blanket and my last two inside portrait sessions used it. I want to mix it up, but I'm seriously confused on muslin vs. paper vs. other cloths. Backdropoutlet has a dizzying amount of cloths - platinum cloth, diamond cloth, candy drops, etc. They say they are better than muslin, but even if I buy 2, that's a pretty penny for me. I'm unsure if I should just get white and/or chromakey and then replace backgrounds in post. I'm a noob at PS, but willing to learn that.

My budget is pretty tight. I just upgraded my camera and bought the backdrop stands. I can only afford 2 backgrounds at the moment, so I'd like to get the most mileage out of them as possible.

Any advice? FYI, I don't have a studio, so everything needs to be broken down after use, so no permanently mounted seamless paper rolls are in my future.

Here's one of my photos...it's vignetted, but it's an idea of my only background now.

IMAGE: http://danobrien.smugmug.com/photos/i-mRRJWff/0/L/i-mRRJWff-L.jpg



  
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Nov 18, 2013 13:34 |  #2

I generally like white paper. It's a blank canvas. When shooting in my [home] studio, I put tileboard on the ground, as per Zack Arias' method (external link); this keeps the paper in good shape. However, if you're transporting everything in a car, taking the tileboard with you is out of the question.

A 53" roll of white will fit into any but the smallest cars - lay it across the back floorboard, or fold down the rear seats. This will be plenty wide enough for individuals, two or three at the most. Any more than that and they start to fall off the sides. You'll likely have to clean up the sides of the paper in post, but this is relatively simple. (content-aware scale will work pretty well usually)

Without a tileboard "floor," you can roll the white paper all the way out to the floor for a nice seamless floor & background. As long as you have a hard surface (tile, wood, industrial carpet) this will work well. Plush, thick-pile carpet probably won't work well; the paper will crinkle when the subject sits on it. When shooting adults (especially women in heels), the paper does get beat up a little bit when it's on the floor; you have to periodically cut off the bottom few feet and toss it. Little kids in bare feet or socks or clean shoes shouldn't mess it up nearly as bad, so you'll get far more uses out of it before having to trim it.

As for cloth:
Inexpensive muslins will be crap. At least, that's been my experience. They're so lightweight, they look like threadbare cheesecloth even when brand new. Proper heavy-duty muslins will probably be better, I dunno.

I've just gone to the fabric store and gotten a handful of different fabrics to make backdrops:
- Business type headshots, I have a piece of gray faux-suede, not unlike your blanket.
- I do a lot of low-key stuff, so I have two black fabric backdrops. One of these is a few pieces of heavy black cloth from IKEA; I have not attached them all together, I just arrange them as needed. I let the black background clip to black so it doesn't matter if they're perfect. My other black one is patterned fabric from Jo-Ann; I have three 3-yard panels that are sewn together to make one huge square. This one has a gray spiraly-pattern on it; I use it when I don't want to clip the background to black. One of these days I'll spring for some "commando cloth" for when I really want to clip to black; for now the IKEA stuff works just fine.
- I have a "fun" backdrop that's blue and white striped fabric, also from IKEA, again it's three 3-yard panels sewn together to make one enormous backdrop.

- I have a 6x10 piece of black felt with glitter in it - that one's a lot of fun when using one or more flashes.
- I have several long pieces of deep red faux-velvet; I usually don't use these for backdrops but they make great accent and prop pieces.
- A couple of cheap fake-sheepskins from IKEA make a great pad or backdrop for infants, or models who are kneeling on the floor, or any sort of Christmas theme when paired with the red faux-velvet.


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Nov 18, 2013 14:35 |  #3

Thanks for the tips. For some unknown reason, I was thinking you had to throw out the entire sheet of white paper, but just cutting off the end makes total sense.

Good call on the Ikea/fabric store. I've been looking at newborn accessories and some of it is overpriced - Ikea sounds like a great solution.

Where did you get the felt with glitter in it?




  
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Nov 18, 2013 15:01 |  #4

If you want newborn props try Etsy. So far I ordered a few knit hats and wraps really cheap. I'll use paper for toddlers and blankets for newborns. I hate my muslin backdrop it pick up lint from all the fabric and just take forever trying to clean it up. You will also need to know what size paper you want, do you want it big enough for a family or just the kid depends. I don't have ikea in my state so I'm stuck ordering online. But it's up to you if you want a solid color backdrop or something with designs, your style but if your doing a cake smash than paper is a must.


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Nov 18, 2013 15:34 |  #5

BeerWolf wrote in post #16461483 (external link)
Thanks for the tips. For some unknown reason, I was thinking you had to throw out the entire sheet of white paper, but just cutting off the end makes total sense.

Good call on the Ikea/fabric store. I've been looking at newborn accessories and some of it is overpriced - Ikea sounds like a great solution.

Where did you get the felt with glitter in it?

Jo-ann, I think? It's been a while. Get their app, or watch for their sale circulars; most of the time there are coupons for very large discounts. Usually something like 50% off one cut of fabric, or 50% off a single item; so I buy just one or two things at a time.

I originally bought the black glitter velvet as part of the stage set for a dance troupe I'm involved with, but we've wound up using it for all sorts of other things. Same case with the red faux-velvet. It looks and feels pretty cheap in person, but it photographs really well.

White paper with the red faux-velvet, mild NWS:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​253127435/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​343776355/ (external link)

Behind-the-scenes setup shot for the Zack Arias method of blown-out white background, you can see this is with the ten-foot-wide white paper and white tileboard, but by blowing it out you can't really see where the tileboard starts on the floor. This is in my living room with all the furniture shoved outta the way:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​240663428/ (external link)

My small 53" white paper, teeny tiny setup on location - good for headshots and 3/4-length, not as good for kids on the floor. Plus a crummy cellphone behind-the-scenes:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​536148804/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​538831351/ (external link)

IKEA black fabric, clipped to black for Halloween shots, this is a little photobooth in our dressing room, I can't find my behind-the-scenes right now:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​069407607/ (external link)


The IKEA fake sheepskin, red faux-velvet, black IKEA fabric backdrop (I didn't clip to black here, and that's not me in the green pants)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​290072096/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​289017245/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/8​290067118/ (external link)

Black glitter felt:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/9​601799909/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/9​601799089/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/9​610095463/ (external link)

The black glitter felt and red faux-velvet as our stage set:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/7​417961214/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/7​491741570/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/7​529651572/ (external link)

Blue striped IKEA fabric, three 3-yard panels sewn together for a fun photobooth:
http://www.flickr.com …nathancarter/10​198194045/ (external link)
http://www.flickr.com …nathancarter/10​198089604/ (external link)

Oh, I forgot about this one. A small section of sequin fabric, for a very specific purpose. Gaze upon its magnificence :lol:
http://www.flickr.com …/nathancarter/9​602506869/ (external link)
(my friend Kaila never had cheezy Glamour Shots done, so we did these for her birthday as a lark)


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Nov 19, 2013 13:04 |  #6

Cute image. You are doing well with your fleece blanket.

This thread came up in my feed this morning, so I thought I would weigh in.

I own the backdrop company Silverlake Photo and might have some helpful advice for you.

Backdrops should be considered an investment. If you have the client base and bookings to support it, new backdrops can give you new looks and add variety your current portfolio. Each backdrop should be able to justify it's purchase directly in orders you see from your sessions. Unlike camera or lighting upgrades, you an actually track sales from images using specific drops and decide if you can justify purchasing additional designs.

Seamless paper is an inexpensive option and therefore the go to substrate for many newer photographers. One thing consider is that almost every photographer begins with a basic white black and grey backdrop. While those color schemes can be very versatile, if you desire to stand out among other studios in your area, it can be helpful to display a variety of options in your work. You can do a great deal in post processing, but it can be very time consuming to alter backdrops for many images. For ease of workflow, there are significant advantages to capturing it "in camera".

All of your backdrop options will have pros and cons whether it be price, portability, durability or design options. Anyone that has attempted to transport seamless paper can testify to the drawbacks with something so large that must remain in a rolled state. We offer a line of hand painted Muslin backdrops that have the advantages of being quite affordable in large sizes, easy to transport and come in an array of classic and timeless styles. The downside to Muslin is that it requires a bit more preparation before shooting. As a 100 percent cotton material, muslin can be more prone to wrinkling and typically requires a quick spraying of water or steaming to prep it for a shoot. In my opinion, any studio should have a few neutral 10x20 muslins simply because of their low cost and versatility. Here are a couple of sample images involving our Muslin backdrops:

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Another option that many backdrop companies offer is a wrinkle free and washable dye sublimated option. If you really want to make a splash in your market, dye sublimation allows you to obtain backdrop designs that are incredibly intricate and detailed. Until recent years, these designs were only possible by creating them on a custom basis in Photoshop. Now, you can purchase backdrops that have much of the digital effects done for you and will impress your clients immediately when you hang them up (unlike photoshop creations that lack the wow factor during the session). The added benefit to Dye sublimation is that it can be cleaned in a standard washing machine and is nearly impervious to wrinkling. Because of this, you can literally toss it in a vehicle and head to a shoot without having to factor in time to prepare your drop before shooting on it. The down side to dye sublimating is that it becomes fairly expensive in larger sizes, but can be obtained in a variety of smaller sizes (5x7, 8x8, 10x10) that allow you to add considerable variety without breaking the bank. Our wrinkle free dye subs are called Colorsmacks and come outfitted with a velcro system that allows you to set them up in seconds in any locations with or without a set of backdrop stands. Here are a few examples of the Colorsmacks:

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Hopefully this helps you in your process of selecting some backdrops that will be the perfect fit for your shooting environment. We wish you continued success with your photography career.

You can check us out at www.silverlakephoto.co​m (external link)

Let me know if there are any questions that I can assist you with.



  
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Nov 19, 2013 21:42 |  #7

Travis, that's some great advice, I just have to say: do you "own" the copyright for those photos? If not, forum "rules" are that you post a link, not the actual photos!


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Nov 20, 2013 11:34 |  #8

tonylong wrote in post #16465342 (external link)
Travis, that's some great advice, I just have to say: do you "own" the copyright for those photos? If not, forum "rules" are that you post a link, not the actual photos!

Tony - We have consent to use them for advertising purposes. How does that work with the forum rules? I can certainly post them as links if it breaks policy. Thanks for the heads up.




  
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