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Nov 19, 2013 20:52 |  #1

This version was processed in Paint Shop Pro, the way I did most of my photos until this year

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Which one do you prefer ?

What would you do in LR to make it better ? Especially the colors, levels and brightness - this is the hardest part for me. In PSP / Gimp / PS the Auto function works great, in LR4 it's a crap shoot, and fixing colors is hard (for me...) especially the skin tones and blue skies.

Finally... is there a way to make LR automatically import changes made in another program ? E.g. monitor the files that are in catalog and tell me "this and that files were changed".

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Nov 19, 2013 21:18 |  #2

Umm, well, they both look good, although her skin tones are slightly different, but hey, that's up to your preference (and how she really looks)! You are free to "tweak" in the Raw software!


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Nov 19, 2013 21:26 |  #3

Thanks !

I think her summer skin tone is more accurate in the first (PSP) edit but I have hard time getting it in LR.... I just can't get the right combination of magenta and yellow, somehow. I was actually blaming Sony's output until I realized that nearly every photo I compared my latest photos with was processed either in PSP or Gimp.

What about my 2nd question. If I create a JPEG output in LR, and later edit it in another software and overwrite the file, is there any way to have LR automatically check for this and alert me to the JPEG now being different ? I think it does this sometimes but most of time I end up having to manually input it. I don't like to use the "Edit in..." command since it takes forever, besides with LR being such a resource hog I'd rather have it not running if I am using PSP.


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Nov 19, 2013 22:57 |  #4

As to your second question, I have no clue, if you do an edit to a Raw file in Lightroom it "remembers" the edit in its catalog/database, but as to "remembering" once you Export to a jpeg, well, you'd have to revert back to the Raw file and what edits you have done prior to Exporting to the jpeg...


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Nov 20, 2013 00:50 |  #5

The PSP image looks better to me in your example. The LR image looks like it could use +10 Contrast and some WB changes (for the jpeg moving Temp and Tint from neutral to +5 and +14 helped) ... but it still looks a bit strange.

What Process and Camera Profile are you using? Personally I use Process 2012 and Adobe Standard for pretty much all of my images since it gives results that are close to how I imagined the scene looked. I don't really care for any of the manufacturer's picture styles/profiles or LR's emulation of them. It's a taste thing though and some would say the same about Adobe Standard :)

Do you have a good neutral grey card? It may be a good test to take some images with the card in the scene then convert in PSP and in LR by adjusting WB using the dropper tool. For LR use Process 2012 and Adobe Standard and do your best to match whites, blacks, contrast, brightness, etc to your PSP edit. Then try cycling through the LR emulations of the Sony profiles to see what gives the result you like.

It could be that PSP just has a pleasing color rendition for you for this particular brand and model. On the other hand maybe things will look closer if you are using the identical "emulated" profile for both PSP and LR.


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Nov 20, 2013 02:31 |  #6

I prefer the first because the second one appears to have either a blue tinge due to WP issues or slightly too much saturation in the blues. Given how much blue there is in the background this is a problem and appears to have changed the subjects eyes from green, in the first image, to blue in the second. I would tweak the WP or maybe just reduce the saturation on the blue/aqua in the HSL panel.


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Nov 20, 2013 04:34 |  #7

#1 for me. Something about the eyes that just looks... better. (I can't describe it)


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Nov 20, 2013 07:18 |  #8

Hmm... Blue channel saturation may indeed be the problem in the LR shot. Not sure about contrast, to me both look about right in this respect.


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Nov 20, 2013 09:08 |  #9

I prefer the first, it POPs more, is warmer tones. The second appears to cold and has a bluish tint..as others said try reducing Blue Saturation, may play with hues and LB to warm it up slightly....Quite often I have found that I PP a picture soon after taking it and am very happy with the results, however when I return to it at a later date I find that I can some additional PP in LR and end up with better results....


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Nov 20, 2013 10:34 |  #10

In Lightroom, HSL/Color/Luminance (ctrl+3) under HSL there is targeted adjustment (the tiny circle top left). The eyes in the second image are bluer and I would want to keep them, the skin is cooler and I would want to warm it. I would select the targeted adjustment under Hue, click my mouse on her cheek and move my mouse down until it Iooked just right. I would perhaps then want to tweek the Luminance or the saturation and I would again use the targeted adjustment for this. All the time retaining the blue eyes. Unless of course her eyes are meant to be green! :shock:


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Nov 20, 2013 12:34 |  #11

Her eyes are blue-gray, actually. So neither the green nor the bright blue are correct colors.


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Nov 20, 2013 15:56 |  #12

Snowyman wrote in post #16466529 (external link)
In Lightroom, HSL/Color/Luminance (ctrl+3) under HSL there is targeted adjustment (the tiny circle top left). The eyes in the second image are bluer and I would want to keep them, the skin is cooler and I would want to warm it. I would select the targeted adjustment under Hue, click my mouse on her cheek and move my mouse down until it Iooked just right. I would perhaps then want to tweek the Luminance or the saturation and I would again use the targeted adjustment for this. All the time retaining the blue eyes.

The eyes wont stay blue using the process you described. The targeted adjustment tool in the HSL panel adjusts globally, not locally. If you click on an area of the image (such as her skin) which contains some blue and the drag up/down the blue slider will move and that adjustment will affect that colour globally across the image (so the eyes will change as well, as will all the other blue in the image). It will also adjust all the other colours that make up the target area, so in the case of the skin it will adjust the red and orange channels as well.


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Nov 21, 2013 03:57 |  #13

Dan Marchant wrote in post #16467358 (external link)
The eyes wont stay blue using the process you described. The targeted adjustment tool in the HSL panel adjusts globally, not locally. If you click on an area of the image (such as her skin) which contains some blue and the drag up/down the blue slider will move and that adjustment will affect that colour globally across the image (so the eyes will change as well, as will all the other blue in the image). It will also adjust all the other colours that make up the target area, so in the case of the skin it will adjust the red and orange channels as well.

It will affect the image globally but targeting the skin only moves the red and orange sliders. I don't recall ever having seen more than two colours move at any one time using the targeted adjustment tool.


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Nov 21, 2013 06:42 |  #14

I made some changes in LR version and synced them to Flickr. So I think the two versions are now closer. Still need to figure the way to warm her skin up a bit without it going all yellow and orange on me.

I just wish LR had a working Auto Tone feature...


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