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Nov 23, 2013 16:06 |  #16

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Whats with the Yn flashes, Seems alot of professionals buy these, They look...cheap

My YN-560 IIs are build just as well as my Canon 430exII, and I actually like their interface more compared to adjusting manual settings on the 430exII.

They are cheap. That is why I bought two of them and plan to buy half a dozen more eventually. Still debating if I should go with more 560-IIs or update to 560-III and switch triggering systems.


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Nov 23, 2013 16:14 |  #17

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I tested my 568EX (not the II version) with a 430EX II and 580EX II. At four feet, ISO 100, the 568 metered f/16 + .8, the 430 f/16 + .9, and the 580 f/22 + .5. So with my unit, the 430 is a tenth of a stop more powerful than the 568. The 580 wins by putting out close to twice as much light.

Weird. Elv (flash havoc) test's showed the 568ex to be 3/10 more powerful then the 430exII and 3/10 less powerful then the 580exII.

Perhaps a QC issue as his tests also showed it to be more powerful then the 565ec and 560ii (which from my understand all should be in the same power range)




  
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Nov 23, 2013 17:38 |  #18

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Weird.

Yeah. I redid the check (multiple times and double checking the zoom settings) after reading your post. Now more in line with Elv's tests. Don't ever trust me.

568 f/22 + .3
430 f/22 + .1
580 f/22 + .9




  
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Nov 23, 2013 21:42 |  #19

Hey
Sorry guys didnt noticed your posts, usually get an email if someone
posts
Thx for your comment but i have to admit that im confused still
Today i read some reviews and it seems that the yn 560 iii works off camera only
I actually am looking for a flash which i can put on the hotshoe mount and use it with my cam( eTTL MAYBE???)
I still dont know enough how flashes work exactly and dont understand all the technics
You guys use and you use some words in your discussion i simply dont understand
I think for me it would be the easiest to have a flash on camera which is controlled by the cam too
Some day i might want to add a flash like the yn 560 iii or 568 ex when i understand more about flash photography
Thx for your time helping me out!!!




  
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Nov 23, 2013 21:44 |  #20

I mean didnt notice:lol:




  
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Nov 23, 2013 22:11 |  #21

The yn-560 III will work on the camera. However if you want the camera to control the flash, you will need a flash capable of eTTL (Evaluative-Through The Lens). This means that when the camera goes to take a picture there is a super fast pre-flash to determine the power output needed and then uses that power.


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Nov 23, 2013 22:14 |  #22

Ok makes sense and for the yn 560 iii i have to change the
output manually on the flash itself right?!




  
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Nov 23, 2013 22:28 as a reply to  @ Titan6891's post |  #23

Titan, take a look at the YN-468II? It runs around $80. It's a lower powered unit than the 565/568 series but still a good flash with ETTL. You can even use your on-camera pop-up flash to operate it "off camera"...but that will work better using triggers. I have one of the 468's and it has done a good job though I haven't had a chance to really use it much yet.

The 468 is a nice featured flash but lower powered than the heavier units so shooting long distance with a zoom or choking your aperature down really tight might be problems...for regular shooting with a normal prime or a normal zoom and at modest distances it should work well. I'm not to sure about how it will work using an umbrella or softbox though I have shot a little with it using bounce off of an 8-foot high white ceiling and it did nicely.

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Nov 23, 2013 23:21 |  #24

I will take a look
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Nov 23, 2013 23:59 |  #25

Titan6891 wrote in post #16475437 (external link)
Hey
Sorry guys didnt noticed your posts, usually get an email if someone
posts
Thx for your comment but i have to admit that im confused still
Today i read some reviews and it seems that the yn 560 iii works off camera only
I actually am looking for a flash which i can put on the hotshoe mount and use it with my cam( eTTL MAYBE???)
I still dont know enough how flashes work exactly and dont understand all the technics
You guys use and you use some words in your discussion i simply dont understand
I think for me it would be the easiest to have a flash on camera which is controlled by the cam too
Some day i might want to add a flash like the yn 560 iii or 568 ex when i understand more about flash photography
Thx for your time helping me out!!!

If you want ETTL then a 560 is not going to work. The 560 is a great flash but I always suggest, when getting a first flash, to get one that can do both ETTL and manual then learn both!

The 568ex is an ettl flash that you can pop onto your hot shoe, put into ettl mode, and let the camera do the calculations for you. The 560 can be used on camera too but, again, can not do ettl.

My suggestions:

1. Get the best flash you can for what ever your budget might be.
2. Get a flash that can do both manual and ettl.




  
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Nov 24, 2013 00:11 |  #26

I will compare 468 ii and 568 ex because i dont know
the difference and i get different suggestions and in the end i dont
know which i should get
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Nov 24, 2013 01:19 |  #27

Titan6891 wrote in post #16475670 (external link)
I will compare 468 ii and 568 ex because i dont know

468ex II: smaller and less expensive

568ex: More powerful, head swivels 360 degrees (180 + 180 compared to 180 +90), has HSS mode, has wireless slave function built in (568ex II has a master mode built in as well), and has a longer zoom range




  
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Nov 24, 2013 01:44 |  #28

Titan6891 wrote in post #16475670 (external link)
I will compare 468 ii and 568 ex because i dont know
the difference and i get different suggestions and in the end i dont
know which i should get
Merci!

You never know until you try all of them.

It also changes depending on what you shoot. If you're just experimenting for a hobby, then any manual flash will work like vivitar 285 or cheaper yonguo (spelling? )

If you decide to start shooting something fast paced, you'll want more power and faster recycling times. Maybe ability to use external power packs... etc...

If you decide to travel, you'll start worrying about the bulk of the camera and you'll want a smaller camera with a smaller external flash.

Same with a DSLR. A year later you might decide to go to full frame with a sony exmor sensor to get extra dynamic range. Or you might be happy with a rebel.

It's always a bit of a gamble.

Personally, I shoot a number of cameras which are not brand specific. So I like having auto-thyristor flashes, because they work on all of my cameras. They work predictably if you're using 28-50mm lenses.


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Nov 24, 2013 05:50 |  #29

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... I still dont know enough how flashes work exactly and dont understand all the technics
You guys use and you use some words in your discussion i simply dont understand ...

Okay.

Aperture: The size of the lens opening that determines how much light reaches the camera's sensor. It's expressed as a ratio, f/2, f/16, etc. The smaller the denominator, the larger the lens opening. It's similar to your iris. In bright light, your iris contracts (f/16). In dim light, your iris expands (f/2).

Shutter speed: The length of time the camera's shutter remains open to let light strike the sensor. A large aperture and slow shutter speed, for the same scene, lets more light hit the sensor than a fast shutter speed and small aperture. The shutter's design limits how fast a shutter speed can normally be used with flash. That is called sync speed. At speeds faster than sync speed, only part of the sensor is exposed to the flash, leaving a dark band in the picture. A feature called HSS (high speed sync), allows taking flash pictures at speeds faster than sync speed by rapidly pulsing the flash for the time the shutter is open. The 568 can do HSS, the 468 can't.

ISO: The sensitivity of the sensor to light. That can be set by the camera automatically or manually by you. It's expressed as a number. ISO 200 is twice as sensitive to light as ISO 100.

Exposure: The combination of aperture, shutter speed, and ISO that together determines how much light is recorded by the sensor. The same amount of light can be read by the sensor with various combinations of those three variables. They are changed for creative reasons and modify the look of the picture. A large aperture shows only the subject in focus, the background and foreground are blurred. A small aperture shows much more of the scene in focus. A fast shutter speed freezes motion, a slow shutter speed shows motion as a blur.

Stop: A measure of exposure. Increasing exposure by one stop doubles the amount of light hitting the sensor. That one stop change can be made by halving the shutter speed, doubling the ISO, or by opening up the aperture from say f/5.6 to f/4.

Bouncing flash: Indoors, rather the firing the flash directly at the subject, more natural looking results can be had by rotating and tilting the flash head at a wall or ceiling (or both) off to the side or behind the camera, filling the room with light rather than directing the flash straight at the subject.

E-TTL and Manual Flash: An E-TTL compatible flash fires a weak pulse of light when the shutter button is fully pressed, the camera's light meter measures the light reflected back through the lens and tells the flash how much light to emit to properly expose the picture when the shutter does open. Manual flash is just that: you set the power on the flash for proper exposure determined by experience or by chimping, looking at the picture just taken on the camera's LCD and adjusting the power accordingly.

Fill flash: Used to augment natural light by filling in shadow areas that would normally appear too dark without flash. For instance, if the sun is behind your subject, a picture taken without flash will properly expose the background leaving your subject dark and featureless. Firing the flash brightens the subject. This is where HSS can be useful because of the higher shutter speeds in bright daylight.

Modifiers: Umbrellas, softboxes, and beauty dishes are used to increase the apparent size of the flash for softer shadows and more natural looking light. Think a sunny day and distinct shadows vs a cloudy day and soft shadows.




  
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Nov 24, 2013 06:37 |  #30

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