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Nov 23, 2013 14:39 |  #1

I have looked at Sony, Olympus, Panasonic & FujiFilm does anyone have some input to help me between the price of 900 - 1200
I need one I can change lens on

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Nov 23, 2013 15:43 |  #2

What are your needs? There's no "bad" option, but you need to pic the one that best suits your needs. We can't really help you unless we know what those needs are.


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Nov 23, 2013 17:43 |  #3

Yes please. What are your needs. Those three brands have different strengths and weaknesses.


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Nov 23, 2013 18:55 |  #4

BrickR wrote in post #16475028 (external link)
Yes please. What are your needs. Those three brands have different strengths and weaknesses.

Portrait, Buildings, People on the streets & Landscape
A light camera that I can put different lens on and say go to New York walk the streets and take pictures of everything

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Nov 23, 2013 19:48 |  #5

All mirrorless cameras are light and capable of what you want. Price is a factor, because they cover the entire range! In general (because you haven't been very specific in what you already know knowledge wise about the different systems, or a budget):

m4/3 (Oly&Pana) have a 2x factor sensor (your XSi is a 1.6x for reference). I know from renting an Oly EM5 that up to ISO 6400 is very usable and better than your XSi. m4/3 has built out a very large lens selection. Oly and Pana tend to pack quite a bit of tech in their cameras.

Sony has the Alpha A7 line which are FF mirrorless, but just came out. The NEX line will give you a crop sensor (1.5x for Sony and Fuji), good ISO, lots of tech in the camera, but Sony's native lens selection is not impressive.

Fuji has 4 bodies at the moment, 4 of which have the X-Trans sensor. Fuji's lens selection, although not cheap, are all very good to superb lenses. IQ receives high marks and high ISO is very impressive.


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Nov 23, 2013 21:08 |  #6

BrickR wrote in post #16475255 (external link)
All mirrorless cameras are light and capable of what you want. Price is a factor, because they cover the entire range! In general (because you haven't been very specific in what you already know knowledge wise about the different systems, or a budget):

m4/3 (Oly&Pana) have a 2x factor sensor (your XSi is a 1.6x for reference). I know from renting an Oly EM5 that up to ISO 6400 is very usable and better than your XSi. m4/3 has built out a very large lens selection. Oly and Pana tend to pack quite a bit of tech in their cameras.

Sony has the Alpha A7 line which are FF mirrorless, but just came out. The NEX line will give you a crop sensor (1.5x for Sony and Fuji), good ISO, lots of tech in the camera, but Sony's native lens selection is not impressive.

Fuji has 4 bodies at the moment, 4 of which have the X-Trans sensor. Fuji's lens selection, although not cheap, are all very good to superb lenses. IQ receives high marks and high ISO is very impressive.

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B & H list several E-M5 do u know which one u had, they have then for $999 to $1599

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Nov 23, 2013 21:09 |  #7

I'd get a Fuji (whichever one suits your needs).

The Olympus EM-5 would be my second choice.

Or if you really want to save some pennies and you are keeping your Canon gear, the EOS M is a very capable little camera, but lacks a VF.


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Nov 23, 2013 22:14 |  #8

The EOS M would be the least expensive, quick option. You get the APS-C sensor, familiar menus, but only 2 lens choices (actually 3 lenses, there is a wide angle). You could get the adapter if you wanted to use your current Canon lenses.

I rented the EM5. The EM1 was released this year and is the more expensive model that has a built in grip. For me the EM5 was a pure joy to use and is built like a tank. I rented the PL 25 1.4 with it. Great combo. AF was damn near instant on still objects (never tried to shoot fast moving objects). It made taking photos easy, fast, and fun. The OMD series have in-body stabilization, so any lens you use with it is essentially an IS lens. If you love shallow DOF you will have to get the longer fast primes, which isn't as convenient for everyday/walkaround use. For example, the 45 f1.8 gives you the FF equiv of roughly a 90 f3.6. The brilliant 75 1.8 is roughly a 150mm 3.6.

I rented the Fuji XE1 with the 18-55 2.8-4. The lens was great: sharp, great build. AF was perfectly fine for me. The high ISO capability was very impressive, and the files looked nice. The build quality is what I didn't like. The XE1 was a $999 body but felt like a $299 body. That was my biggest, real gripe. Other gripes were just preferences and stuff I could live with BUT at that price, I couldn't swallow the build quality. Steve Huff loves mirrorless and the Fuji sensor and lenses, but he doesn't like the build quality of the XE1 either. There is the XM1 and XA1 for less money (XM1 has the XE1 sensor, XA1 doesn't), and there is the XPro1 which has a more solid build. The XTrans sensor is serious though. So good that even when people don't like the camera they keep looking at it and considering it!! :) You could have trouble with RAW if you're an Adobe user, they haven't quite figured out the Fuji but I think Capture One and Apeture are better. JPEGS are so good you probably won't fool with RAW ;)


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Nov 23, 2013 22:30 |  #9

BrickR wrote in post #16475499 (external link)
The EOS M would be the least expensive, quick option. You get the APS-C sensor, familiar menus, but only 2 lens choices (actually 3 lenses, there is a wide angle). You could get the adapter if you wanted to use your current Canon lenses.

I rented the EM5. The EM1 was released this year and is the more expensive model that has a built in grip. For me the EM5 was a pure joy to use and is built like a tank. I rented the PL 25 1.4 with it. Great combo. AF was damn near instant on still objects (never tried to shoot fast moving objects). It made taking photos easy, fast, and fun. The OMD series have in-body stabilization, so any lens you use with it is essentially an IS lens. If you love shallow DOF you will have to get the longer fast primes, which isn't as convenient for everyday/walkaround use. For example, the 45 f1.8 gives you the FF equiv of roughly a 90 f3.6. The brilliant 75 1.8 is roughly a 150mm 3.6.

I rented the Fuji XE1 with the 18-55 2.8-4. The lens was great: sharp, great build. AF was perfectly fine for me. The high ISO capability was very impressive, and the files looked nice. The build quality is what I didn't like. The XE1 was a $999 body but felt like a $299 body. That was my biggest, real gripe. Other gripes were just preferences and stuff I could live with BUT at that price, I couldn't swallow the build quality. Steve Huff loves mirrorless and the Fuji sensor and lenses, but he doesn't like the build quality of the XE1 either. There is the XM1 and XA1 for less money (XM1 has the XE1 sensor, XA1 doesn't), and there is the XPro1 which has a more solid build. The XTrans sensor is serious though. So good that even when people don't like the camera they keep looking at it and considering it!! :) You could have trouble with RAW if you're an Adobe user, they haven't quite figured out the Fuji but I think Capture One and Apeture are better. JPEGS are so good you probably won't fool with RAW ;)

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Nov 23, 2013 23:29 |  #10

Lone-eagle wrote in post #16475171 (external link)
Portrait, Buildings, People on the streets & Landscape
A light camera that I can put different lens on and say go to New York walk the streets and take pictures of everything

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Keep this in mind if you want to go to New York with a camera. One of my more interesting experiences in midtown Manhattan was when I was walking to Penn Station with a camera in hand, and up walked a maniacally laughing transvestite in a red dress. Whoever it was wasn't interested in me or the camera and scampered off after a couple of minutes. If you're going to New York to take pictures, be aware that you're dealing with an unusual environment.

Now, if you're more interested in equipment than in who or what you may meet, the Canon PowerShot G16 (external link) may be a better choice than any of the currently fashionable "mirrorless" cameras. It's certainly more affordable.




  
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Nov 24, 2013 07:17 |  #11

DC Fan wrote in post #16475620 (external link)
Keep this in mind if you want to go to New York with a camera. One of my more interesting experiences in midtown Manhattan was when I was walking to Penn Station with a camera in hand, and up walked a maniacally laughing transvestite in a red dress. Whoever it was wasn't interested in me or the camera and scampered off after a couple of minutes. If you're going to New York to take pictures, be aware that you're dealing with an unusual environment.

Now, if you're more interested in equipment than in who or what you may meet, the Canon PowerShot G16 (external link) may be a better choice than any of the currently fashionable "mirrorless" cameras. It's certainly more affordable.

Not going to New Yoek just use that as a example

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Nov 24, 2013 08:54 |  #12

Lone-eagle wrote in post #16476011 (external link)
Not going to New Yoek just use that as a example

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When you decide where you're going or what you want, a Canon G16 is still a good choice for what you more or less described you want to do with a camera.




  
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Nov 24, 2013 10:02 |  #13

DC Fan wrote in post #16476164 (external link)
When you decide where you're going or what you want, a Canon G16 is still a good choice for what you more or less described you want to do with a camera.

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