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Dec 09, 2013 23:25 as a reply to  @ post 16499723 |  #31

Hey all. New here and love the site. Just great contributers here.
This is just a thought, but this looks and sounds incredibly similar to what happened to a friend of mine. He has a Canon 70D, and about 5 months ago, he started getting these unusual spots just like the black ones. He did a manual sensor clean, but to no avail. He still had the spots, and even developed more, and it tailed off. So in some shots, the camera performed reasonably well, but depending on the lighting it started to really drive him nuts, so finally he sent it in to get serviced.

At first they thought it was salt air contamination, but it actually was excess lubricant from the mirror assembly. It wasn't a lot, but what they told him was they apply a grease type lube at assembly that generally stays in place, and almost never causes a problem, but sometimes some can migrate (like in warm temps), and it can actually flick off during operation if it migrated down far enough, and contaminate the sensor in the form of tiny spots. It actually takes quite a bit of care and effort to remove as it is designed to really stick to the mirror's mechanical joints. Anyway, they cleaned it up, sent it back and all is good. On your pics, they actually appear very similar. More organic and sporadic in size and like yours, there almost seems to be a little directionality in some of them....different than a pixel related issue, and there is the same almost haloing effect his had where the lube appears to leach from the center of the spot.

Not saying this is the definitive answer, but thought I'd share.
Good luck with your camera. Hopefully it's a simple inexpensive fix.:cool:




  
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Dec 10, 2013 07:46 |  #32

6-string59 wrote in post #16515324 (external link)
Hey all. New here and love the site. Just great contributers here.
This is just a thought, but this looks and sounds incredibly similar to what happened to a friend of mine. He has a Canon 70D, and about 5 months ago, he started getting these unusual spots just like the black ones. He did a manual sensor clean, but to no avail. He still had the spots, and even developed more, and it tailed off. So in some shots, the camera performed reasonably well, but depending on the lighting it started to really drive him nuts, so finally he sent it in to get serviced.

At first they thought it was salt air contamination, but it actually was excess lubricant from the mirror assembly. It wasn't a lot, but what they told him was they apply a grease type lube at assembly that generally stays in place, and almost never causes a problem, but sometimes some can migrate (like in warm temps), and it can actually flick off during operation if it migrated down far enough, and contaminate the sensor in the form of tiny spots. It actually takes quite a bit of care and effort to remove as it is designed to really stick to the mirror's mechanical joints. Anyway, they cleaned it up, sent it back and all is good. On your pics, they actually appear very similar. More organic and sporadic in size and like yours, there almost seems to be a little directionality in some of them....different than a pixel related issue, and there is the same almost haloing effect his had where the lube appears to leach from the center of the spot.

Not saying this is the definitive answer, but thought I'd share.
Good luck with your camera. Hopefully it's a simple inexpensive fix.:cool:

Thanks for the input and welcome to the forum!!!


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Dec 10, 2013 12:55 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #33

Interesting. I just googled "lube on camera sensor" and found some images that seem to be similar. You may be onto something here.


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Dec 10, 2013 13:56 |  #34

6-string59 wrote in post #16515324 (external link)
At first they thought it was salt air contamination, but it actually was excess lubricant from the mirror assembly. It wasn't a lot, but what they told him was they apply a grease type lube at assembly that generally stays in place, and almost never causes a problem

Welcome to POTN.

Yep, looks like oil spots. So Canon said it "almost never" causes a problem, eh?

:lol:

This is a very common problem - I've had it and so have lots and lots of POTNers. Some models seem to have lots of lube spots, others not many.

The solution is a thorough wet cleaning, which may take lots of passes with lots of swabs (which shouldn't be reused). Dry cleaning will have no effect or make it worse by smearing out the spots.

The bright side is that once the oil is gone it doesn't seem to come back.

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Dec 10, 2013 14:56 |  #35

number six wrote in post #16516706 (external link)
Welcome to POTN.

Yep, looks like oil spots. So Canon said it "almost never" causes a problem, eh?

:lol:

This is a very common problem - I've had it and so have lots and lots of POTNers. Some models seem to have lots of lube spots, others not many.

The solution is a thorough wet cleaning, which may take lots of passes with lots of swabs (which shouldn't be reused). Dry cleaning will have no effect or make it worse by smearing out the spots.

The bright side is that once the oil is gone it doesn't seem to come back.

-js

And here I thought you cleaned your sensor by removing the lens, locking up the mirror, and holding out your camera as you drove your Lotus around the Village like a bat out of Hell.

And for wet cleaning, you did it in the rain.




  
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Dec 10, 2013 16:18 |  #36

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Thanks for the input and welcome to the forum!!!

Indeed. Welcome and thanks.


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Dec 10, 2013 17:21 as a reply to  @ PeteD's post |  #37

No problem guys, and thanks for the warm welcome. I didn't know it was that common a problem. Yeah.. My buddy told me what Canon told him that the lube is usually clear, but what the black in the grease is, is actually minute metal particles that discolor the grease with normal wear and tear of normal mirror operation. The leaching, or clearer halo-ish areas are where the grease disperses from the center of the spot, creeping across the sensors surface. I can't say what the white spots would be for sure....Maybe just another effect of contamination....Maybe some more lube that has not discolored. Who knows for sure...Could very well be that simply too much lube was applied, and it just started flicking off onto the sensor. It's weird, and it's something I wouldn't expect.

Well, I really hope that this is in fact the issue with the OP's camera. I've not had any issue with mine yet (Knock on wood)....Had a little dirt on the sensor here and there, but was lucky enough just to dislodge it with a blower.
I'll be following the thread....fingers crossed!;)




  
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Dec 10, 2013 18:16 |  #38

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And here I thought you cleaned your sensor by removing the lens, locking up the mirror, and holding out your camera as you drove your Lotus around the Village like a bat out of Hell.

And for wet cleaning, you did it in the rain.

In Wales you do it in the rain or you don't do it at all!


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Dec 10, 2013 19:18 |  #39

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No problem guys, and thanks for the warm welcome. I didn't know it was that common a problem.

I wouldn't call it "common". I really haven't seen this any more than failed shutters, stuck pixels or anything else. Any of these are rare problems.


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Dec 10, 2013 19:40 as a reply to  @ kfreels's post |  #40

whew! I was referring to number six's comment....Maybe he's had more experience with this issue. That got me a little concerned. I'd never heard of it till it happened to my friend. I was curious, so I took a look at the mechanism in my Canon, and I don't see any excess that could migrate or flick off...At least no obvious lumps of the stuff. I plan on doing some time lapse sessions soon, so it's going to see alot of use.




  
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Dec 10, 2013 23:58 |  #41

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In Wales you do it in the rain or you don't do it at all!

Isn't that the case with a majority of the U.K.? Rain, rain, and more rain?

Although I have heard that you guys get several nice days per year.




  
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Dec 11, 2013 13:30 |  #42

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Isn't that the case with a majority of the U.K.? Rain, rain, and more rain?

Although I have heard that you guys get several nice days per year.

We do have several nice days a year here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Right now it's 52 degrees F, sunny, calm, beautiful winter day. Perhaps I should say "winter" day.

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Dec 11, 2013 13:41 |  #43

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We do have several nice days a year here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Right now it's 52 degrees F, sunny, calm, beautiful winter day. Perhaps I should say "winter" day.

-js

I was referring to Wales, wherein you purported some knowledge of the weather.

And I concur about San Francisco. Having lived in the city and worked in Tiburon (I almost always did things differently), I have developed a distinctly Twainian attitude towards Bay Area weather.




  
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Dec 11, 2013 14:11 |  #44

I used to live in SF (North Beach and the Haight Ashbury) and Sausalito. Back in the days when non-millionaires could afford the rents.

Now I'm happily established in Concord, but I sure couldn't go back to SF without winning the lottery first...


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