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Nov 30, 2013 17:23 |  #1

Disclaimer: I am not trying to start another 50mm debate. lol and yes, I've searched the boards and read almost all of the previous posts on this lens ... wow, there are a lot of them!

My question is, does anyone have a ballpark (time frame) on the AF failure on the Canon 50mm 1.4? I seen quite a few people with the issue, but can't see if it's an age thing. I understand there are variances like accidents and the like, but I'm curious if it's something that usually rears it's ugly head after X period of time, or just the fact it's pretty delicate and can break if you aren't being careful in general with it.

I have read leaving the lens hood on in the shooting position even when storing it will reduce the odds of damage.

I've had this lens before for a short time and enjoyed it but sold it ... on the edge of getting another one unless someone has a convincing argument.

btw, I'm shooting a crop frame and usually outdoors, and like a little space around my subjects without being >30ft away. Yes I considered the 85 1.8, but I think it's just a little too long for what I like to shoot. Especially on a crop, but the reviews and comments on it make it VERY tempting.

Again, not trying to stir the pot or beat a dead horse ... I'm just curious if there is a ticking clock on the AF failure rate thing or it's just a care issue.


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Nov 30, 2013 18:38 |  #2

I think a bit of both.

Basically it just has a weak AF mechanism. So time and use by themselves will eventually break it if you are unlucky, and care is just part of the equation. If you take good care of it, it may or may not last longer, if you take bad care of it, it will likely die faster.


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Dec 01, 2013 03:24 |  #3

I've had mine for 2yrs now still working fine, touch wood.


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Dec 01, 2013 11:48 |  #4

It seems like the majority of the failure issues I've read about have been related to mishaps with the extending front barrel of the lens taking a hit.

Buy a hood and keep the lens at infinity when ever you put it in the bag. That should help extend the life of te AF motor.




  
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Dec 01, 2013 12:14 |  #5

I've had mine for about 10 years.... and bought it used, have no idea how old it really is (there's no build date code on it, could be as much as 20 yrs old since the lens was first intro'd in 1993). Still works great and it doesn't get any particular coddling or special care. AFAIK, it's always been used with the lens hood (came with it), which seems to be one of the "secrets" to the lens having a long, useful life.

The best info I have seen has been from Lensrentals.com. They buy large quantities of lenses, check them after each rental, and make repairs as needed. Their stuff also gets used hard... really hard. I bet it spends more time bouncing around in the back of a UPS truck than on a camera, taking photos! And, even then, I suspect users don't treat short term rental gear with the same care they do their own stuff. Lensrentals sell off their inventory and replace it every couple years, I believe.

Lensrentals.com publishes a repair report for gear that focuses on higher than average problems (average, if memory serves, is something like 14 or 15% a year, or about 1 in 6). The EF 50/1.4 is on their list and the last time I looked showed about 20% a year repair rate, mostly due to AF failure. So, based on that I'd say there is a 1 in 5 chance of failure, if you treat the lens rather poorly. You can greatly reduce those odds a lot with some reasonable and easy care.

Not only is it possible to damage the AF with a hard bump to the front barrel (Use the lens hood when shooting! Set the lens to infinity to fully retract the barrel when stored, which actually is a good idea with any lens.)... It also seems possible to damage with a hard bump on the focus ring (Reverse the lens hood when storing the lens... it covers and protects the focus ring.)

Finally, it's also been suggested that because the lens isn't "true" USM, it might be more susceptible to wear and tear of the AF mechanism if you override AF a lot with manual focus, without first turning off the AF at the switch. A USM lens is supposed to be FTM capable, but some feel the 50/1.4 is less so. Personally I very rarely have need to override AF manually, the way I use the lens, so that might be another thing that's contributed to the long life my copy has enjoyed.

I wouldn't worry very much. If the AF broke on mine, I'd have it repaired. Last time I heard, repairing it costs about $160 US. If my lens were dropped and broken beyond repair or stolen of something, I'd buy another 50/1.4 without concern... And I'd always get and use the matching hood, too.

And if you are too worried, you have alternatives. The Sigma 50/1.4 seems a sturdy option. Maybe too sturdy.... For a 50/1.4 it's massive and heavy! Who ever heard of a 50/1.4 needing a 77mm filter!? Hell, the Canon 50/1.2L only needs a 72mm and older manual focus 50/1.4s were somehow made using 49mm, 52mm and 55mm filters! Maybe Sigma is going for a size and weight record. Anyway, who knows if the Siggy is really going to prove to be more durable... It's a relative youngster that's only been sold in rather limited quantities, compared to the Canon. After 20 years, I bet hundreds of thousands of the Canon EF 50/1.4 are in circulation (so it's not surprising to see a fairly high incidence of "issues" online). That probably compares to tens of thousands of copies the Siggy (in all mounts offered) at most, that have been marketed since it's intro 5 or 6 yrs ago. We'll just have to check back in 15 years or so, to be sure how the two actually compare in terms of durability.

Hopefully some day Canon will design, build and offer a 50/1.4 "Mark II" that addresses some of the "issues". Sooner or later they probably will. I ain't holdin' my breath, though.


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Dec 01, 2013 12:28 |  #6

I've met wedding photographers who use the 50/1.4 for years without any issue.

Just get into the habit of retracting the lens barrel before storing it and avoid dropping it --- just like you'd do with the 85L.


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Dec 02, 2013 08:34 |  #7

Thanks for the feedback. That is pretty much what I was thinking on the issue. I know overall care contributes to most failures, I'm overly careful with all my lenses but also a amateur so not being in a working situation gives me more room for comfort.
I do purchase aftermarket bayonet hoods for all lenses that don't come with them, still not sure why Canon dismissed that issue. If I can get a nice quality one on ebay for $3.99 you would think they'd drop $2 (guessing wholesale) for that perk. Then again I'm not controlling their profit margins. hahaha
If anyone is ever looking for reasonable bayonet hoods, Digital Goja (ebay seller) is highly recommended!) They are out of Miami and I've been extremely pleased with all of their aftermarket products. Obviously non-performance based equipment, but hoods and basics the like are very reasonable and quick to ship. Hood for this lens was $4.99 incl shipping, btw and every bit on par with Vello from B&H.
Thanks again for the advise!


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Dec 02, 2013 09:20 |  #8

Not sure if this was the cause of the failure, but I had one of these lenses for a while and the af was acting up. So I found an excellent tutorial on repairing the AF for that lens on-line, and followed the directions for "reshaping" the metal barrel where it had come out of alignment. This COMPLETELY fixed the problem and the lens worked like new. This could be the source of your problem.


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Dec 02, 2013 13:08 |  #9

The AF of my 50mm 1.4 failed just over 12 months but luckily Canon repaired it under warranty. In the end i sold it and purchased a 50mm 1.2.


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Dec 02, 2013 13:18 |  #10

I had to fix mine too (I bought it semi-broken). Since then it's been taken apart so many times that I could do the procedure blindfolded :)


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