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Dec 04, 2013 09:03 |  #1

Hi there

I am new to this part of the hardware
and I am trying to understand something
and i would appreciate any help:

1.) What is the general use of an L plate? I saw that the L plates are specific per camera and even pre +/- grip - , but besides that - what is the use? I saw one use which made me start looking at them - holding a gooseneck flash extender for a macro rig. I am assuming that there are other uses as well....

2.) what is an arca plate? As far as I understand, it is a plate which attaches between the camera and the tripod - but, as you see in my sig, I have an rc2 manfrotto plate - what is different from that?

I tried googling these questions but i guess my vocabulary is kind of limited since I didn't get any of the right hits to explain the basics.

if this seems to you as a troll post - please understand I do not mean it as one - and it is a real question. Many thanks.


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Dec 04, 2013 09:32 |  #2

An L plate lets you fit your camera in either portrait or landscape orientation to an arca swiss compatible mount without having to reorient the mount. They are useful BUT only if you have an arca swiss style clamp system.

An arca swiss mount is different from the RC2 mount (and I have to say, better....I went RC2 to arca) it lets you balance your set up better as you have forward and aft adjustment. Plus there is NO movement in the clamp system, I found RC2 plates had a bit of give.

Also, you can buy different manufacturers arca swiss compatible products, with RC2 you have Manfrotto and I'm pretty sure that's it. (although I do think there is a new arca style clamp that is more restrictive on what it will fit, but I'm not sure)


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Dec 05, 2013 06:40 |  #3

many thanks for the explanation - but is the movement from the plate itself or the ballhead associated with the plate?

i will check into an arca swiss mount and then an l plate...

i suppose that will mean a new ball head or are there conversion kits?

though I hope I can still use my manfroto legs....

or do I have to move to gittos/benro/etc?


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Dec 05, 2013 07:07 |  #4

Pretty sure you cam convert Manfrotto to Arca, never done it though, yes you can still use your Manfrotto legs!

The movement depends on how good the ballhead is. I use a gimbal not a ballhead so I'm not too clued up on which ballheads are good.


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Dec 05, 2013 07:12 |  #5

gimble w/ acra swiss mount

IMAGE: http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/IMG_0533_zpsd3f6cf21.jpg
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lens mount , a L braket slides into a acra swiss mount just like a lens mounted plate
IMAGE: http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/mortuarymike/IMG_0532_zpse5a152f5.jpg
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Dec 05, 2013 07:19 |  #6

You won't have to change the tripod legs. Arca-Swiss is simply a type of clamp & plate system that allows a quick and very secure way to attach and remove photo accessories. Typically, you'll see an Arca-Swiss plate on a camera body or long telephoto lens ring and an Arca-Swiss clamp on a ballhead. There are two types of Arca-Swiss clamps: 1) screw and 2) quick-release. I have had both and personally prefer the quick release type. It works with a spring-loaded lever that pushes the clamp shut and locks it. The screw type needs to be turned in order to tighten or loosen the clamp onto the plate. Both are effective and secure - it's really a matter of personal preference.

Often, you can just change the clamp on your ballhead. However, there are ballheads that have the clamp permanently attached, so it won't be possible to just change the clamp. In that case, you will have to purchase a new ballhead that either already has an Arca-Swiss type clamp, or a ballhead without a clamp that will accept an Arca-Swiss clamp.

The cool thing about Arca-Swiss is the interchangeability of accessories. In other words, if you have a flash arm or other accessory, you can put an Arca-Swiss plate or clamp and use it with other components in the system. I leave all my clamps and plates attached to every accessory and am able to freely interchange all my accessories.

The cool thing about the L-plate on a camera body is the quick and easy flipping of the camera body onto a ballhead for vertical shots. It's very easy to unlock the Arca-Swiss clamp, remove the camera and flip it vertically, then secure it to the clamp in a vertical position. For those that work with tripods on a regular basis, it really helps and keeps the camera centered on the tripod for greater stability, instead of flipping the ballhead on its side and have the camera "hang" over the side of the tripod legs, especially when using long and heavy lenses.

The initial investment into Arca-Swiss components can be pretty big. Therefore, unless you don't have a system in place or you really need the convenience of Arca-Swiss, it may not be worth the investment. Manfrotto has a good system and many professional prefer it over the Arca-Swiss system. I've never had anything other than Arca-Swiss, so when I started my system 20 years ago, I started with the Arca Swiss B-1 ballhead and a RRS plate - RRS had just gotten started then.

This is one of the photos I sent you by PM. Notice the quick release clamp on the ballhead. The quick release lever is located on the ballhead clamp underneath the lens, towards the front of the camera body. Notice the screw clamp on the Kirk clamp attached to the flash arm on the side of the camera L-plate. Both are very secure.

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Dec 05, 2013 07:45 |  #7

There are a couple of companies that make clamps to adapt the 488RC2 head to an Arca-compatible system. Hejnar and Really Right Stuff come to mind

http://www.ocabj.net …to-arca-swiss-conversion/ (external link)


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Dec 05, 2013 08:40 |  #8

I recently went thru a change to an L place and arca swiss ball head. LOVE IT!!! For all the reasons everyone above listed. :) The ability to switch between landscape and portrait orientation is the reason I did it..


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Dec 06, 2013 00:16 |  #9

nellyle wrote in post #16503213 (external link)
Pretty sure you cam convert Manfrotto to Arca, never done it though, yes you can still use your Manfrotto legs!

The movement depends on how good the ballhead is. I use a gimbal not a ballhead so I'm not too clued up on which ballheads are good.

thanks for the info. Very helpful and I am happy that I can still use my same legs! Though one day I will probably splurge and get a set of carbon fiber legs - I was hoping not to do that this year.

farmer1957 wrote in post #16503222 (external link)
gimble w/ acra swiss mount
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IMAGE LINK: http://s1110.photobuck​et.com …0533_zpsd3f6cf2​1.jpg.html  (external link)
lens mount , a L braket slides into a acra swiss mount just like a lens mounted plate
QUOTED IMAGE
IMAGE LINK: http://s1110.photobuck​et.com …0532_zpse5a152f​5.jpg.html  (external link)

MMike

thanks for the pics!

lehmanncpa wrote in post #16503238 (external link)
You won't have to change the tripod legs. Arca-Swiss is simply a type of clamp & plate system that allows a quick and very secure way to attach and remove photo accessories. Typically, you'll see an Arca-Swiss plate on a camera body or long telephoto lens ring and an Arca-Swiss clamp on a ballhead. There are two types of Arca-Swiss clamps: 1) screw and 2) quick-release. I have had both and personally prefer the quick release type. It works with a spring-loaded lever that pushes the clamp shut and locks it. The screw type needs to be turned in order to tighten or loosen the clamp onto the plate. Both are effective and secure - it's really a matter of personal preference.

Often, you can just change the clamp on your ballhead. However, there are ballheads that have the clamp permanently attached, so it won't be possible to just change the clamp. In that case, you will have to purchase a new ballhead that either already has an Arca-Swiss type clamp, or a ballhead without a clamp that will accept an Arca-Swiss clamp.

The cool thing about Arca-Swiss is the interchangeability of accessories. In other words, if you have a flash arm or other accessory, you can put an Arca-Swiss plate or clamp and use it with other components in the system. I leave all my clamps and plates attached to every accessory and am able to freely interchange all my accessories.

The cool thing about the L-plate on a camera body is the quick and easy flipping of the camera body onto a ballhead for vertical shots. It's very easy to unlock the Arca-Swiss clamp, remove the camera and flip it vertically, then secure it to the clamp in a vertical position. For those that work with tripods on a regular basis, it really helps and keeps the camera centered on the tripod for greater stability, instead of flipping the ballhead on its side and have the camera "hang" over the side of the tripod legs, especially when using long and heavy lenses.

The initial investment into Arca-Swiss components can be pretty big. Therefore, unless you don't have a system in place or you really need the convenience of Arca-Swiss, it may not be worth the investment. Manfrotto has a good system and many professional prefer it over the Arca-Swiss system. I've never had anything other than Arca-Swiss, so when I started my system 20 years ago, I started with the Arca Swiss B-1 ballhead and a RRS plate - RRS had just gotten started then.

This is one of the photos I sent you by PM. Notice the quick release clamp on the ballhead. The quick release lever is located on the ballhead clamp underneath the lens, towards the front of the camera body. Notice the screw clamp on the Kirk clamp attached to the flash arm on the side of the camera L-plate. Both are very secure.

QUOTED IMAGE

I hope this helps.

that explanation was so complete - my head is still spinning. It was because of our discussion in PM that caused me to initiate the thread (I didn't want to bother you any more) since I was trying to find out the benefit of changing over to an arca system beyond the one use that I liked of your gooseneck holding flash - as per pic above - and google wasn't really all that useful with the key words that I was using. Thanks again!!!

sawsedge wrote in post #16503271 (external link)
There are a couple of companies that make clamps to adapt the 488RC2 head to an Arca-compatible system. Hejnar and Really Right Stuff come to mind

http://www.ocabj.net …to-arca-swiss-conversion/ (external link)

thanks for this! I will take a look at that!

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #16503369 (external link)
I recently went thru a change to an L place and arca swiss ball head. LOVE IT!!! For all the reasons everyone above listed. :) The ability to switch between landscape and portrait orientation is the reason I did it..

Good to hear that other people are enjoying the switch. If you don't mind saying - what was the exact change you made (from which ball head to what etc) and did you get the quick release system? etc


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Dec 06, 2013 06:02 |  #10

I'm another that went from the Manfrotto RC2 to an Arca-Swiss clamp, along with a better ballhead. OK, its not cheap, but I have been delighted with the improved performance.

And I've even reused the original manfrotto ballhead, its now on my monopod, but with another Arca clamp.


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Dec 06, 2013 07:16 |  #11

ceriltheblade wrote in post #16505447 (external link)
thanks for the info. Very helpful and I am happy that I can still use my same legs! Though one day I will probably splurge and get a set of carbon fiber legs - I was hoping not to do that this year.



thanks for the pics!



that explanation was so complete - my head is still spinning. It was because of our discussion in PM that caused me to initiate the thread (I didn't want to bother you any more) since I was trying to find out the benefit of changing over to an arca system beyond the one use that I liked of your gooseneck holding flash - as per pic above - and google wasn't really all that useful with the key words that I was using. Thanks again!!!



thanks for this! I will take a look at that!



Good to hear that other people are enjoying the switch. If you don't mind saying - what was the exact change you made (from which ball head to what etc) and did you get the quick release system? etc

I wanted to be able to move from landscape to portrait orientation without moving the lens off the center axis of the tripod and the only way to do that is with an L bracket. So, I ordered a Kirk L bracket for my un-gripped 7D.
Then I discovered that I needed an Arca adapter to attach it to my tripod. Sooooo....instead of fooling around with more adapters I just bought an Arca ball head.
I bought the Sirui K-30x. http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …RK30_K_30x_Ball​_Head.html (external link)
It has a 66 pound capacity (more than I'll ever need) and it was relatively inexpensive. It works great too.
I don't think it has the "quick release" mechanism that you are talking about. But, it literally takes me 5 seconds to disconnect and re-attach my camera.

Oh...just fyi...Don't know if you're interested in such a thing. I also got this Arca nodal rail for doing panoramics.
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …180_nodal_rail_​180mm.html (external link)


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Dec 06, 2013 10:27 |  #12

You cannot trust load ratings put out by ballhead manufacturers. Most of them probably use random number tables for that spec.


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Dec 06, 2013 10:33 |  #13

Whatever. It's sturdy enough.


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Dec 08, 2013 09:04 |  #14

ptcanon3ti wrote in post #16505840 (external link)
I wanted to be able to move from landscape to portrait orientation without moving the lens off the center axis of the tripod and the only way to do that is with an L bracket. So, I ordered a Kirk L bracket for my un-gripped 7D.
Then I discovered that I needed an Arca adapter to attach it to my tripod. Sooooo....instead of fooling around with more adapters I just bought an Arca ball head.
I bought the Sirui K-30x. http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …RK30_K_30x_Ball​_Head.html (external link)
It has a 66 pound capacity (more than I'll ever need) and it was relatively inexpensive. It works great too.
I don't think it has the "quick release" mechanism that you are talking about. But, it literally takes me 5 seconds to disconnect and re-attach my camera.

Oh...just fyi...Don't know if you're interested in such a thing. I also got this Arca nodal rail for doing panoramics.
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …180_nodal_rail_​180mm.html (external link)

thanks for the recommendations - I will definitely take a look at them. Can you explain the purpose of the nodal rail, please. it is 18cm long an you are supposed to take pictures at different intervals for stitching?

Many thanks.


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Dec 08, 2013 09:48 |  #15

A nodal rail is used to eliminate a phenomena called parallax. The rail allows you to move the optics of your lens forward or back over the center axis or your tripod to a point where parallax is not an issue.

Here is a short video that simply explains it kinda simply…
which is good for me. :)

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