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Why not much talk about the 24-70 IS F4 ?? Experience ?

 
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Dec 08, 2013 16:32 |  #1

Why is there not much talk about the 24-70 IS F4 ??
Ok, so it's smaller cheaper lighter and has IS but is F4..
Anyone using this lens? Experiences? How does it compare to the none IS 2.8?

Thanks in advance..


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Dec 08, 2013 16:45 |  #2
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I don't know how anyone else thinks, but for that kind of money the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 VC is a no brainer. One more stop of light and $300 extra in my pocket? Ok. Give me the Tamron.




  
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Dec 08, 2013 16:49 |  #3

I Love Cats wrote in post #16511662 (external link)
I don't know how anyone else thinks, but for that kind of money the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 VC is a no brainer. One more stop of light and $300 extra in my pocket? Ok. Give me the Tamron.

Ummmmm :rolleyes: yeah you could be right, but reviews say AF is slower, image quality and build are not as good and the zoom ring is arse about face.. :lol:


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Dec 08, 2013 17:03 as a reply to  @ Nick_Reading.UK's post |  #4

because the 24-105 exists for $6xx dollars.

i cannot think of any reason for this lens to exist.


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Dec 08, 2013 17:05 |  #5

Jerobean wrote in post #16511695 (external link)
because the 24-105 exists for $6xx dollars.

i cannot think of any reason for this lens to exist.

Good point...


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Dec 08, 2013 17:10 |  #6

Jerobean wrote in post #16511695 (external link)
because the 24-105 exists for $6xx dollars.

i cannot think of any reason for this lens to exist.

I Love Cats wrote in post #16511662 (external link)
I don't know how anyone else thinks, but for that kind of money the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 VC is a no brainer. One more stop of light and $300 extra in my pocket? Ok. Give me the Tamron.

These two reasons. If you want f4, you can get the 24-105 which has more range and is cheaper.

If you want a 24-70, you can get the Tamron version which is f2.8 and costs the same (after rebates, normally its even cheaper).


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Dec 08, 2013 19:08 |  #7

Nick_Reading.UK wrote in post #16511639 (external link)
Why is there not much talk about the 24-70 IS F4 ??
Ok, so it's smaller cheaper lighter and has IS but is F4..
Anyone using this lens? Experiences? How does it compare to the none IS 2.8?

Thanks in advance..

I hired a 24-70 f/4L for a while and it's clearly sharper than the 24-105 and has less distortion. The IS works better (4 stop compared with 3) and it's 70g lighter. As compared with the 24-70 f/2.8 tests show that the 24-70 is sharper but if you need f/2.8 then the f/4 version won't be suitable. The 24-70 f/4L's sharpness for landscapes, for example, is similar to my old 24-70 f/2.8L which I sold because it was just too heavy and attracted attention on holidays and days out.

I'm tempted to buy the 24-70 f/4 but own a 35mm f/2 IS USM and wonder if a 100mm macro may be a better option. I also noticed that the focus shift issue affecting macro mode near MFD is true in practice for the 24-70 f/4L.

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Dec 08, 2013 19:10 |  #8

The 24-70 f/4 is a total mystery to me. Why not upgrade the 24-105 instead? Sure the 24-70 is better but then it's a 7 year newer lens. Why not come out with a 24-105II?


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Dec 08, 2013 19:15 |  #9

gjl711 wrote in post #16511956 (external link)
The 24-70 f/4 is a total mystery to me. Why not upgrade the 24-105 instead? Sure the 24-70 is better but then it's a 7 year newer lens. Why not come out with a 24-105II?

Given that the 24-105 has more distortion at 24mm than the 24-70 lenses, can this be adequately corrected in LR5 or DxO 9.1? Even on my old 40D I noticed that the 24-105 (owned for 5 years) showed noticeable barrel distortion at 24mm and quite strong colour fringing.

Perhaps the 24-70 f/4L is a marketing exercise? The price has fallen since its release and white box versions are appearing on eBay for around £600, though customs and VAT would be payable...




  
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Dec 08, 2013 19:27 |  #10

I'm not claiming that the 24-105 is better than either 24-70, but it might be if updated using better optics and a better IS. 24-105 is just such a nice range on a FF camera.


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Dec 08, 2013 20:06 |  #11

gjl711 wrote in post #16511991 (external link)
I'm not claiming that the 24-105 is better than either 24-70, but it might be if updated using better optics and a better IS. 24-105 is just such a nice range on a FF camera.

I agree, Canon could have given the 24-105 4 stop IS and better CA control with a UD element. Do you think 24-70 is restrictive on full frame?




  
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Dec 08, 2013 20:07 |  #12

Not at all, but Canon already updated the 24-70 with the 24-70II so it just seemed to me that the 24-105 was a natural for an update.


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gjl711 wrote in post #16512056 (external link)
Not at all, but Canon already updated the 24-70 with the 24-70II so it just seemed to me that the 24-105 was a natural for an update.

I guess the concern is that Canon may discontinue the 24-105 as there's no obvious reason to continue with an old design, especially when the 24-70 f/4 offers a macro mode.




  
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Dec 08, 2013 21:21 |  #14

MartynV wrote in post #16512069 (external link)
I guess the concern is that Canon may discontinue the 24-105 as there's no obvious reason to continue with an old design, especially when the 24-70 f/4 offers a macro mode.

for the price difference I would buy the 2.8 ii everytime over the f4 is.

the 2.8 has been 1699 after rebates multiple times lately.


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Dec 08, 2013 22:37 |  #15

Seems pretty obvious to me, the 24-70 f4 is going to be the new kit lens for full frame bodies. The 24-105 will be discontinued and there's been rumors of a 12-24 coming out. Then the L zoom lineup would be 12-24, 24-70 f2.8 and f4, 70-200 f2.8 and f4, and 200-400... Nice and neat with no overlap (I know, we all like overlap, but canon doesn't.... Need to buy a new lens if you want the added reach)


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