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Dec 13, 2013 13:06 |  #1

For those who are using Lightroom and Microsoft ICE for panoramics. What is your workflow preferably using RAW files?

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Dec 13, 2013 13:20 |  #2

1) Shoot in Manual
2) Set your WB
3) Import into LR
4) Make same exposure changes to all files
5) Export to JPEG
6) Run in ICE
7) Edit in PS/GIMP as required.

I think that's about it for me.


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Dec 13, 2013 13:25 as a reply to  @ HiepBuiPhotography's post |  #3

Microsoft ICE work with RAW files? no, you'll have to covert first to jpeg. Big fan of MICE though, seems to handle all my handheld panoramas, just about everything I throw at it. The default adjustment normally works well, but sometimes worth trying the other options.




  
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Dec 13, 2013 15:30 |  #4

One thing I've heard that you might want to check out, and that's that newer versions of Lightroom do some automatic "tweaking" that can mess with panoramics.

I don't know the details, and can't address how to fix this, but it's something to be on the lookout for. Maybe some folks with expertise can chime in!


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Dec 13, 2013 18:39 |  #5

Tony LR now has a Match Total Exposures option when you select multiple images. It is supposed to set the overall brightness of each image so that they are all the same. I have tried it and it does a reasonable job I suppose for those occasions where you might be shooting in Av mode and just shoot a quick series of shots hand held. It's in Develop Settings, but only when selected from Photo on the top options bar.

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Dec 13, 2013 18:44 |  #6

BigAl007 wrote in post #16525467 (external link)
Tony LR now has a Match Total Exposures option when you select multiple images. It is supposed to set the overall brightness of each image so that they are all the same. I have tried it and it does a reasonable job I suppose for those occasions where you might be shooting in Av mode and just shoot a quick series of shots hand held. It's in Develop Settings, but only when selected from Photo on the top options bar.

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Good to know, my friend! People need to know about this stuff!


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Dec 14, 2013 05:08 |  #7

Another thing about MTE is that it's not avilable in ACR. Unless they have added it to ACR 8.

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Dec 14, 2013 06:00 |  #8

It's in Develop Settings, but only when selected from Photo on the top options bar.

Forgive me, but a slight correction: In the Develop module it is in the Settings menu and has the shortcut Ctrl+Shft+Alt+M. It can also be accessed in the Library module from the Photo/Develop Settings menus or with the same shortcut.


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Dec 14, 2013 10:19 |  #9

I hadn't heard of this program before, but I've been looking for a new panorama program since grabbing lightroom 5 and my new laptop. I downloaded it and this is perfect!

I used the above workflow but exported my raw files as TIFF files each way-
1) Lens correction in Lightroom
2) Set WB across images (could be done in camera if thinking ahead, easy enough with raw files)
3) Match Total Exposure
4) Export from LR as TIFF with no compression
5) Run ICE and export pano as TIFF
6) Bring TIFF back into LR and continue processing as normal


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Dec 14, 2013 13:28 |  #10

omeyas wrote in post #16524807 (external link)
Microsoft ICE work with RAW files? no, you'll have to covert first to jpeg. Big fan of MICE though, seems to handle all my handheld panoramas, just about everything I throw at it. The default adjustment normally works well, but sometimes worth trying the other options.

I'm pretty sure that Microsoft ICE accepts RAW files.
BUT you need to have either the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or your Camera Manufacutrer's codec installed for it to be able to use RAW files.


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Dec 14, 2013 13:29 |  #11

JJD.Photography wrote in post #16524752 (external link)
For those who are using Lightroom and Microsoft ICE for panoramics. What is your workflow preferably using RAW files?

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It depends what you want to do - and Lightroom is possibly the wrong tool for panoramas anyway...

If you have a number of RAWs that need preprocessing, you can apply the same change to all RAW files and then create the panorama.

If you want to edit the panorama as a whole, you would edit first and merge later.

Having said that, on any really large panoramas, you want to keep your editing to a minimum if possible because it is just too tedious.

Short of trying yourself there is no simple best solution.


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Dec 14, 2013 14:42 |  #12

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I'm pretty sure that Microsoft ICE accepts RAW files.
BUT you need to have either the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack or your Camera Manufacutrer's codec installed for it to be able to use RAW files.

I'm not so sure about that, have you tried opening original Raw files in ICE? Has anyone?

But, since the original question included a Lightroom workflow, the logical solution to me would be to import the Raw files into Lightroom, then send converted images into ICE, either tiffs or jpegs! I'd personally probably go with jpegs to conserve resources, but that would assume that all needed "development" had been done to the original images...


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Dec 14, 2013 14:49 |  #13

tonylong wrote in post #16527155 (external link)
I'm not so sure about that, have you tried opening original Raw files in ICE? Has anyone?

But, since the original question included a Lightroom workflow, the logical solution to me would be to import the Raw files into Lightroom, then send converted images into ICE, either tiffs or jpegs! I'd personally probably go with jpegs to conserve resources, but that would assume that all needed "development" had been done to the original images...

It has been a while, but I sort of remember putting RAW files from my 5D MK II into ICE.

Edit:
Just checked and verified. MS ICE reads my 5D MK II .CR2 files without any issues. Having said that, I do have the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack installed, so the RAW previews are rendered in my explorer - on Windows 7 64bit.
I suspect if you do not have a working decoder it will not work.

Edit 2: Also, one does not necessarily want to compress the panoramas from MS ICE given that it can produce some interesting output models covering all the dynamic range of the RAW file - I possible should upload one of my images to the web... but it would take ages.... (large panorama from the Rhine - to be viewed with the HD View or how it is called)

Edit 3: Correct name is HD View


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Dec 14, 2013 15:18 |  #14

I'd be curious as to how ICE handled even say two Raw files.

I'd presume that it would only read the embedded jpegs, use them, but that would not be the same as "developing" the Raw files. The jpegs would be using the in-camera settings, Picture Style, White Balance, etc, and as such ICE would have limited jpeg-specific capabilities...

But I'm rattling that off although I don't have/use ICE, but I've never heard that the Codecs can actually "read" Raw data!


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Dec 14, 2013 15:38 |  #15

tonylong wrote in post #16527246 (external link)
I'd be curious as to how ICE handled even say two Raw files.

I'd presume that it would only read the embedded jpegs, use them, but that would not be the same as "developing" the Raw files. The jpegs would be using the in-camera settings, Picture Style, White Balance, etc, and as such ICE would have limited jpeg-specific capabilities...

But I'm rattling that off although I don't have/use ICE, but I've never heard that the Codecs can actually "read" Raw data!

It would just have to render a JPEG image based on the camera profile which it has from the camera codec pack.
This is the stuff: http://www.microsoft.c​om …oad/details.asp​x?id=26829 (external link)

In the same way that you can stitch a panorama from RAWs in Photoshop.
The end result isn't a RAW panorama, but RAWs can be used.


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