Microsoft ICE work with RAW files? LR workflow?

DetlevCM wrote in post #16527288
It would just have to render a JPEG image based on the camera profile which it has from the camera codec pack.
This is the stuff: http://www.microsoft.c​om …oad/details.asp​x?id=26829

In the same way that you can stitch a panorama from RAWs in Photoshop.
The end result isn't a RAW panorama, but RAWs can be used.

Yeah, but the difference:

If you are using Photoshop to do the pano, you are either going through Camera Raw or Lightroom to process the Raw files and get them "compatible" for the stitching.

So, my "point" is: if ICE only uses the ebedded jpegs for the stitching, that's not the same as processing the Raw files and the results may be good, or they may be lousy, and you can't control the processing like you can with a Raw file!

Now, if I'm somehow wrong, someone let us know!

tonylong wrote in post #16527379
Yeah, but the difference:

If you are using Photoshop to do the pano, you are either going through Camera Raw or Lightroom to process the Raw files and get them "compatible" for the stitching.

So, my "point" is: if ICE only uses the ebedded jpegs for the stitching, that's not the same as processing the Raw files and the results may be good, or they may be lousy, and you can't control the processing like you can with a Raw file!

Now, if I'm somehow wrong, someone let us know!

I wouldn't know how to figure that out .
I don't think the embedded JPEGs are full size though and if memory serves me right a panorama has a resolution appropriate to the used RAWs.
Why not try? I'm sure there are more computer savy people around here than me.

(Side note: ICE can also pull a panorama out of video on 64Bit Windows 7)

Actually newer Canon cameras have "full-sized" embedded jpegs.

So, theoretically/ideally, a set of jpegs could work fine in a pano, the same as shooting in Green Box/Auto can work fine in a pano, although when I shot cameras that only had Auto, well, it was very hit-or-miss for that type of thing!

In fact, a big factor for me getting my first DSLR was the move to Raw shooting!!!

Of course if you are shooting in full Manual (including White Balance and ISO), then your out-of-camera jpegs have a better chance, hence your ICE-stitched jpegs!

tonylong wrote in post #16527422
Of course if you are shooting in full Manual (including White Balance and ISO), then your out-of-camera jpegs have a better chance, hence your ICE-stitched jpegs!

I have an unhealthy preference for manual - so without any strange lighting throwing off the white balance or filters messing things up the images line up well.
Maybe one day I'll check... its an interesting question though, what does ICE use...

Well, if you were really curious, an interesting test would be to set the in-camera White Balance totally whacky. Take a shot, the ICE view (and the Windows browser) should look messed up. Lightroom or Camera Raw should by default look messed up as well, but you could quickly and easily switch the WB to something "correct". Of course, though, unless ICE gives the ability to make adjustments, well, that's about where it would stop!

tonylong wrote in post #16527892
Well, if you were really curious, an interesting test would be to set the in-camera White Balance totally whacky. Take a shot, the ICE view (and the Windows browser) should look messed up. Lightroom or Camera Raw should by default look messed up as well, but you could quickly and easily switch the WB to something "correct". Of course, though, unless ICE gives the ability to make adjustments, well, that's about where it would stop!

ICE doesn't give you any editing options besides the type of merging. I.e. what kind of projection. One would have to test ICE with and without the Microsoft Camera Codec pack - I'm fairly sure it needs it, but that still isn't a guarantee that it renders the RAWs...

tonylong wrote in post #16527892
Well, if you were really curious, an interesting test would be to set the in-camera White Balance totally whacky.

Shoot raw using the Monochrome picture style. If ICE is using the raw data then it will be in glorious technicolor. If it's using the embedded jpeg then it'll be B&W and no amount of fiddling will change that.

hollis_f wrote in post #16528519
Shoot raw using the Monochrome picture style. If ICE is using the raw data then it will be in glorious technicolor. If it's using the embedded jpeg then it'll be B&W and no amount of fiddling will change that.

Actually a good idea - and just checked, the ICE output is in colour:

Full of moiré from the screen, but it definitely contains colour... (didn't have anything better to photograph)

IMAGE LINK: https://imageshack.com​/i/0ku93gp

DetlevCM wrote in post #16528529
Actually a good idea - and just checked, the ICE output is in colour:

Full of moiré from the screen, but it definitely contains colour... (didn't have anything better to photograph)

IMAGE LINK: https://imageshack.com​/i/0ku93gp

You did that with the camera set to Monochrome, and still ICE showed colors?

This gets curiouser and curiouser!

tonylong wrote in post #16529602
You did that with the camera set to Monochrome, and still ICE showed colors?

This gets curiouser and curiouser!

Raw files ignore Picture Styles except for creation of the embedded jpeg. The fact that ICE shows colours means that it is using the raw data.

So now the interesting question is - what parameters does it use to 'develop' the image from the raw data?

hollis_f wrote in post #16529826
Raw files ignore Picture Styles except for creation of the embedded jpeg. The fact that ICE shows colours means that it is using the raw data.

So now the interesting question is - what parameters does it use to 'develop' the image from the raw data?

Yeah, I'm intrigued that ICE uses the Raw data at all, so yeah, what's next?

I still prefer a good Raw processor, but what's up with ICE?

tonylong wrote in post #16529602
You did that with the camera set to Monochrome, and still ICE showed colors?

This gets curiouser and curiouser!

Not curious - See Hollis_f's explanation below.

hollis_f wrote in post #16529826
Raw files ignore Picture Styles except for creation of the embedded jpeg. The fact that ICE shows colours means that it is using the raw data.

So now the interesting question is - what parameters does it use to 'develop' the image from the raw data?

It uses a "standard setting" similar to the standard profile Adobe Lightroom or CameraRaw will apply to the image. The standard settings come from the Microsoft Camera Codec Pack - in fact, if you opened a photo in the MS Gallery apps, they should look the same as in ICE. (If not, that would be curious as they use the same tech.)