canon 70d or 6d

I bought the 70d last week for 950 loving it so far. And now adorama has the 6d for 1289 refurbished I'm thinking of getting the 6d is the full frame that much better but would miss the video focusing and the 70d 19 point auto focus not sure what to do any suggestions thank you

I also have the canon 10-22, the 35f2 is and 50 sigma and the Canon 851.8 also the 40 pancake.

That's called "buyer's remorse".

Keep the 70D and go shoot lots of pics with it...

... Until you can specifically state exactly how a full frame camera will improve your photography enough to justify the additional cost. Lenses for full frame are more limited, too, and will tend to be larger, heavier and more expensive.

I'd wager most people who "gotta have" a full frame camera will never actually see any tangible benefit from them. Their photography will be no better or worse than if they'd stuck with a crop sensor camera. It's just the latest and greatest fad.... And a really good way to blow a lot of money.

So stop second guessing yourself and go shoot photos with your one week old camera.

amfoto1 wrote in post #16542873
That's called "buyer's remorse".

Keep the 70D and go shoot lots of pics with it...

... Until you can specifically state exactly how a full frame camera will improve your photography enough to justify the additional cost. Lenses for full frame are more limited, too, and will tend to be larger, heavier and more expensive.

I'd wager most people who "gotta have" a full frame camera will never actually see any tangible benefit from them. Their photography will be no better or worse than if they'd stuck with a crop sensor camera. It's just the latest and greatest fad.... And a really good way to blow a lot of money.

So stop second guessing yourself and go shoot photos with your one week old camera.

Wow, what a refreshingly sensible piece of advice.

To the OP, you have some great glass to put on a great camera. Have fun with it and go make some amazing images. Your skills are vastly more important than the camera body. And the one you have is extremely capable anyways.

Yeah I'll probably stick with it has every feature I wish the 60d had and the video is killer. I already got great photos from the 60d but really wanted to take more videos off my 1 year old daughter. So I sold the 60d for 450 and used that towards the 70d.

i sold my 6D and bought the 70D
yes the 6D is a great camera for good quality images
but i know myself i can make a good family photos from the crop
so i dont need to spend more money
all i need some macro and family photos
good luck with new 70D

and your 10-22 lens is a great lens for landscapes on the crop

As always, choose the camera that meets the needs for what you do.

I have the 6D for its lowlight capabilities as I shoot landscape. It fits my needs. But I wouldn't push it on you.

amfoto1 wrote in post #16542873
That's called "buyer's remorse".

Keep the 70D and go shoot lots of pics with it...

... Until you can specifically state exactly how a full frame camera will improve your photography enough to justify the additional cost. Lenses for full frame are more limited, too, and will tend to be larger, heavier and more expensive.

I'd wager most people who "gotta have" a full frame camera will never actually see any tangible benefit from them. Their photography will be no better or worse than if they'd stuck with a crop sensor camera. It's just the latest and greatest fad.... And a really good way to blow a lot of money.

So stop second guessing yourself and go shoot photos with your one week old camera.

I agree with all of this except the ff with no tangible benefit. While it is true that a lot of shots it doesn't matter, there is a large percentage that there is a tangible difference and another smaller percentages of shots it helps make them. That said, rock the 70d! 6d is only getting cheaper and that will be quite a 2 body kit one day at a very discounted price

I played with a 70d for the first time last weekend with an 18-135 STM lens. Had to tell the SEVERAL Best Buy employees who kept asking me if I needed any help that I was fine (I played with it for quite a while!!)
I was incredibly impressed with the AF. LV AF is now just as fast a mirrorless cameras for stills. There weren't many people around so I couldn't play with AF in video mode (face tracking). I am going to rent one for a weekend to really give 'er a long term play because it impressed me a lot.

I've rented a 6d twice and shot it side by side with my 60d. For me, it wasn't worth the extra $1000 from ISO 800 and below. BUT, everything up from 800 is where the 6d earns its price tag ,proportionally with ISO increase
I'm at 800 or less 90% of the time, so it wasn't worth the cost. If I shot above 800 50% of the time of more, the 6d would be worth it IMO. Video is a different story because the AF for video is worth more than the ISO of the 6d IMO.

Amfoto is dead on!

amfoto1 wrote in post #16542873
That's called "buyer's remorse".

Keep the 70D and go shoot lots of pics with it...

... Until you can specifically state exactly how a full frame camera will improve your photography enough to justify the additional cost. Lenses for full frame are more limited, too, and will tend to be larger, heavier and more expensive.

I'd wager most people who "gotta have" a full frame camera will never actually see any tangible benefit from them. Their photography will be no better or worse than if they'd stuck with a crop sensor camera. It's just the latest and greatest fad.... And a really good way to blow a lot of money.

So stop second guessing yourself and go shoot photos with your one week old camera.

Alan always writes well thought out advise and I very seldom disagree (or have something to add).

I would urge you to keep the 70D as well. The FF has some benefits (the shallower DOF for the same framing is one, the increased sharpness (at least in the center) is another. Once you grow away from the philosophy that portrait is sharp eyelashes and fuzzy ears, you will not worry about the difference in shallow DOF anymore (I use f5.6 for portraits with the 50 mm). The sharper image would make a difference in extreme cropping, or extreme magnification (and I have photos printed 24x36 with no resolution problems).

The 6D might have a minute advantage in low light performance (if you can AF with the center point) but it's just it! Minute! A good workflow can even out the difference for most people.

So, go out and enjoy the 70D!...

MakisM1 wrote in post #16543117
Alan always writes well thought out advise and I very seldom disagree (or have something to add).

I would urge you to keep the 70D as well. The FF has some benefits (the shallower DOF for the same framing is one, the increased sharpness (at least in the center) is another. Once you grow away from the philosophy that portrait is sharp eyelashes and fuzzy ears, you will not worry about the difference in shallow DOF anymore (I use f5.6 for portraits with the 50 mm). The sharper image would make a difference in extreme cropping, or extreme magnification (and I have photos printed 24x36 with no resolution problems).

The 6D might have a minute advantage in low light performance (if you can AF with the center point) but it's just it! Minute! A good workflow can even out the difference for most people.

So, go out and enjoy the 70D!...

i think crop cameras have higher pixel density in center, FF has better resolution across the frame

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I would go for 70D, 6D is great camera, but for specific use ...

biggest advantages of FF IMHO is : better resolution across the frame as i already mentioned (great for portraits and lanscapes), shallow DOF and slightly better RAWs and much better SOOC. That´s it. you can eliminate crop factor by buying wider lenses.


70D has very powerful AF system even in dimlight = most of your shots will be in focus, even fastest ones = that is actually huge difference, if you plan shoot sports or running children.

You didn't say enough about what you shoot to be able to weigh the pros and cons well. Are you going to print very large? Are you going to shoot in low light? Do you need very shallow DOF? If not, you aren't going to notice much of a difference between crop and FF. If you are displaying on the web and not shooting in low light, you won't see any difference at all because the resolution of the display is so low.

Unless you are shooting wide open, the DOF issue is a red herring. for the same field of view, crops have deeper depth of field at a given aperture. You want shallower DOF with a crop, just open up more. Likewise, if you want deeper DOF and you have a FF, just shut the aperture down a bit. I forget the amount, but it is roughly a stop or a stop and a half, I think. FF is superior if you want very shallow DOF, but otherwise, you can control it to compensate.

The tradeoff in this case is you loose the better AF. If that is important to you, it would be a bad trade.

My suggestion, as someone who has both formats, is to forget about it and go enjoy the very good camera you just bought.

adorabledan76 wrote in post #16542806
I bought the 70d last week for 950 loving it so far. And now adorama has the 6d for 1289 refurbished I'm thinking of getting the 6d is the full frame that much better but would miss the video focusing and the 70d 19 point auto focus not sure what to do any suggestions thank you

amfoto1 wrote in post #16542873
That's called "buyer's remorse".

Keep the 70D and go shoot lots of pics with it...

... Until you can specifically state exactly how a full frame camera will improve your photography enough to justify the additional cost. Lenses for full frame are more limited, too, and will tend to be larger, heavier and more expensive.

I'd wager most people who "gotta have" a full frame camera will never actually see any tangible benefit from them. Their photography will be no better or worse than if they'd stuck with a crop sensor camera. It's just the latest and greatest fad.... And a really good way to blow a lot of money.

So stop second guessing yourself and go shoot photos with your one week old camera.

I thought I'd try a full-frame body (5Dc) a while back. The only real benefit I get out of it is that I like my 70-200 a lot more on full frame. I don't get into razor-thin DOF. The only EF prime I own is the 35 IS, and I've only had that two weeks. Full frame doesn't do anything special for me. That said, I am not getting rid of it, either.

In my opinion, if you don't know EXACTLY why you need FF, and EXACTLY what it is going to do for you, you don't need it. Of course, it is OK to buy a 6D just because you want one.

6D for the win.