Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Index  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Guest
New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear  •   • Reviews
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photography Talk by Genre Critique Corner 
Thread started 24 Dec 2013 (Tuesday) 13:22
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

Help with birds.

 
WhidbeyHiker
Goldmember
Avatar
1,889 posts
Gallery: 55 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2630
Joined Dec 2013
     
Dec 24, 2013 13:22 |  #1

IMAGE: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/11535691155_a488acb34b_b_d.jpg

How can I make this more than just a shot of a bunch of birds? Getting closer and therefore sharper is not an option with the lens I own. I have this is raw. I warmed it a bit and cropped the image.



  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)
Snydremark
my very own Lightrules moment
18,452 posts
Gallery: 47 photos
Likes: 1494
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Issaquah, WA USA
     
Dec 24, 2013 13:35 |  #2

What body are you shooting with?


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII/5D IV, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
"The easiest way to improve your photos is to adjust the loose nut between the shutter release and the ground."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WhidbeyHiker
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,889 posts
Gallery: 55 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2630
Joined Dec 2013
     
Dec 24, 2013 13:38 |  #3

Snydremark wrote in post #16551597 (external link)
What body are you shooting with?

Sorry, 40D with a 55-250 IS II




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Canajun
Goldmember
Avatar
2,881 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
     
Dec 24, 2013 13:44 as a reply to  @ WhidbeyHiker's post |  #4

how about removing the wasted space in the front. Maybe cropping it like a panorama style?


Jun.Roberto.Dizon.Greg​orio
My Photographic Gears.

I Like Shooting Animals Than People.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Snydremark
my very own Lightrules moment
18,452 posts
Gallery: 47 photos
Likes: 1494
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Issaquah, WA USA
     
Dec 24, 2013 14:08 |  #5

WhidbeyHiker wrote in post #16551604 (external link)
Sorry, 40D with a 55-250 IS II

Ok. In that case, there's probably not much to be done with THIS particular image, but:

1. Watch your exposure; this one looks to be about 3/4 of a stop or so underexposed. While the 40D gives you pretty good latitude in bringing that up, it's better to not have to as that always increases the noise in your shots.

2. When watching a flock like this, watch for 'interesting' action within the flock and frame that; you can crop closer to it later if need be. Here, you just have a flock of birds looking like lawn ornaments, so there isn't much to grab the eye regardless of what you do with them.

3. Cropping, per earlier suggestion, can be used to draw out the layering of the background textures with the foreground dirt, but that only goes so far in this situation.

4. Be patient; it takes a while to catch these guys doing anything noteworthy :D

If you go into your profile and enable Image Editing: Ok, I can post a quick Lightroom edit example along these lines.

Additionally, for future shooting:

5. Try to get above/below "normal" eye-level viewing when taking the photos; the 'odd' angle that you get by laying prone, crouching or getting up on the bed of a truck, etc lends a little extra for the eye when viewing the shots because it's an angle the brain doesn't, regularly, see. This will help with impact in MOST shooting situations, but really comes home with birds/wildlife/kids. Go look up Steve's (Nighthound) posts in the bird forums for a top notch example of this.

6. Start putting some money aside for longer glass if you want to photograph birds; there are some decent, budget lenses that can be had for several hundred (used Tamron 200-500s can be had for 500-800, I believe; or you can move into the 'normal' birding lenses (100-400, 400 f/5.6, Sigma 50-500/150-500, 300 f/4 + 1.4TC, etc) for around 800-1200 depending on lens and condition, or get ready for the release of Tamron's new 150-600 VC that's supposed to hit shelves in Feb of next year; with a, supposed, price of just under $1100 could become the new, go-to budget lens for birds/wildlife.

7. Be patient...this is a recurring theme :D

8. Start looking for places that birds regularly return to and, once you have identified these, go back early and get set up before the birds do. Once you're in place and not moving around, the birds are more likely to approach you and be closer so you can get more of them in the frame with the shorter lens. Hides can also be used for great effect here.

Just a few things there, but hopefully some of it's useful going forward :)


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII/5D IV, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
"The easiest way to improve your photos is to adjust the loose nut between the shutter release and the ground."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Canajun
Goldmember
Avatar
2,881 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
     
Dec 24, 2013 14:20 as a reply to  @ Snydremark's post |  #6

^^^ yeah you can make the grass a bit more green.
If I am not mistaken. Isn't this a perfect time to see the snow geese in your area? Perfect time for a retake :D


Jun.Roberto.Dizon.Greg​orio
My Photographic Gears.

I Like Shooting Animals Than People.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Snydremark
my very own Lightrules moment
18,452 posts
Gallery: 47 photos
Likes: 1494
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Issaquah, WA USA
     
Dec 24, 2013 14:26 |  #7

He's right; if you want to get some practice in, head up to the Fir Island area and go practice on those guys. They flock into the fields, en mass, and you can get right up to the edge of the flock in some fields; should be around through Jan/Feb timeframe.


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII/5D IV, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
"The easiest way to improve your photos is to adjust the loose nut between the shutter release and the ground."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WhidbeyHiker
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,889 posts
Gallery: 55 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2630
Joined Dec 2013
     
Dec 24, 2013 16:55 |  #8

Thanks for all of the advise. I will give it all a try. I should probably read up on composition. I will enable image editing in my profile. Thanks.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Canajun
Goldmember
Avatar
2,881 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
     
Dec 24, 2013 17:27 |  #9

WhidbeyHiker wrote in post #16551993 (external link)
Thanks for all of the advise. I will give it all a try. I should probably read up on composition. I will enable image editing in my profile. Thanks.

You can start with rule of thirds. The other thing that the guys have taught me is, if the bird is facing left then give more space to the left. So it does not appear that the scene is leaving the frame.

Of course I'm just an old dog, but at least I keep those two in mind whenever I compose a shot.
Take it from a hobbyist point of view, not a professional.

BTW I love my 40D:D


Jun.Roberto.Dizon.Greg​orio
My Photographic Gears.

I Like Shooting Animals Than People.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WhidbeyHiker
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,889 posts
Gallery: 55 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2630
Joined Dec 2013
     
Dec 25, 2013 09:21 |  #10

I love my 40D too, got it used. It has a dirty sensor, things start to show up over f/14 when.

Just need to part with it long enough to send it to a shop.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Canajun
Goldmember
Avatar
2,881 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha
     
Dec 25, 2013 09:26 |  #11

WhidbeyHiker wrote in post #16552942 (external link)
I love my 40D too, got it used. It has a dirty sensor, things start to show up over f/14 when.

Just need to part with it long enough to send it to a shop.

Have you tried a blower and pen? sometimes it does the trick.


Jun.Roberto.Dizon.Greg​orio
My Photographic Gears.

I Like Shooting Animals Than People.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
cpam.pix
Goldmember
1,275 posts
Likes: 10
Joined Apr 2011
     
Dec 25, 2013 12:40 |  #12

Hey, Snyde!

You provided excellent feedback in your second post above. Thanks for your part in making the internet (and POTN) a great place to get high-quality help.


1D-III with stuff to stick on it:
70-200L, 28-70L, 24-105L, 300L, 50, 10-17 fish, 2.0x TC
Image editing OK, encouraged, and expected. Thank you for helping me learn!

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Snydremark
my very own Lightrules moment
18,452 posts
Gallery: 47 photos
Likes: 1494
Joined Mar 2009
Location: Issaquah, WA USA
     
Dec 25, 2013 12:47 |  #13

Happy if it helps :) Cheers!


- Eric S.: My Birds/Wildlife (external link) (7D MkII/5D IV, Canon 10-22 f/3.5-4.5, Canon 24-105L f/4 IS, Canon 70-200L f/2.8 IS MkII, Canon 100-400L f/4.5-5.6 IS I/II)
"The easiest way to improve your photos is to adjust the loose nut between the shutter release and the ground."

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
WhidbeyHiker
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,889 posts
Gallery: 55 photos
Best ofs: 1
Likes: 2630
Joined Dec 2013
     
Dec 25, 2013 14:02 |  #14

Canajun wrote in post #16552951 (external link)
Have you tried a blower and pen? sometimes it does the trick.

Yes, it helped a little.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links
(this ad will go away when you log in as a registered member)

1,198 views & 0 likes for this thread
Help with birds.
FORUMS Photography Talk by Genre Critique Corner 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Index   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.1forum software
version 2.1 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is Car147
1101 guests, 321 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.