Any point for me to get a 600EX-RT?

If I never or will never get Canon's wireless system, is it still worth me buying or should I just look for a low mileage 580EX2 or YN 568EX2?

I have other ETTL flashes and YN 622C's already. So I'm trying to decide if the power and feature set are worth the extra money. Was also looking at the Metz 58AF-2 but I'm not too sure about that one. I used a lot of Metz hammer head flashes back in the film days.

If YOUR wireless system already includes YN-622C triggers, I would expand with YN-568EX II and save a lot of money. I don't see where Canon would bring an extra $300 in value to the party.

I read this article from David Hobby about a week ago...

http://strobist.blogsp​ot.com …ion-recommended-gear.html

From what I can tell, he's been a manual flash guy for a long time. Personally, I like the consistency of manual shooting, but don't shoot often enough to nail OCF flash exposures so easily. Having said that, I like Canon's system because it allows me to stand in the place of the subject, meter, and adjust flash power without the constant back and forth to meter and adjust flash power on the back of the flash.

Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the YN 568 as I do want HSS just need to figure out if I want version 1 or 2 now. I do like the versatility of doing ETTL when I need to and I have strobes for bigger stuff too.

flowrider wrote in post #16556405
Thanks everyone. I think I'll go with the YN 568 as I do want HSS just need to figure out if I want version 1 or 2 now. I do like the versatility of doing ETTL when I need to and I have strobes for bigger stuff too.

Metz 58 AF-2 is better than the 600EX unless you need weather sealing or on camera master functionality with ControlTL transceivers. The Metz can also run off certain battery packs (Metz, Quantum) alone without needing AA's at all (sooo nice), something the Canon can't do. It's definitely what I'd get if I needed HSS or TTL. Then again I can't stand using speedlights without battery packs so YMMV.

LostArk wrote in post #16556435
Metz 58 AF-2 is better than the 600EX unless you need weather sealing or on camera master functionality with ControlTL transceivers. The Metz can also run off certain battery packs (Metz, Quantum) alone without needing AA's at all (sooo nice), something the Canon can't do. It's definitely what I'd get if I needed HSS or TTL. Then again I can't stand using speedlights without battery packs so YMMV.

Thanks for the info. Do they make similar battery packs like the ones available for the Canon where it's 8 or so AA batteries? Can anyone confirm that the Metz is compatible with the 622c's?

I will take it a step further. I would say that with the introduction of the yn622c's, that the 600's are a waste of $$. You can use existing 580's and 430's in your kits and do the exact same thing that the 600's do for a heck of a lot less $$$.

Furthermore, if i were starting out, i would probably buy 430's and use them with the 622'c.......or the newer Yongnou versions of the 600's that canon sells.

Canon tried to force everyone to buy these 600's by discontinuing the 580ex11. This was a really bold move on canons part. There is nothing in their line up now except a 430 which is about a 3/4 stop less power output than the 580 ad 600's output.

I like having the ability to control A,B,C groups of flashes from back of the camera with canons systems but i dont like being forced to spend $500.00 for a flash. All canon had to do is do what Yongnuo did and make a trigger that would allow thier users to control the existing line up from the back of the camera.....everyone knows what canon did, everyone knows what yongnuo did.sales of the 622c have gone off the charts. Canon responded with a sale price on the 600's..........Pfffft. BFD.

Canon needs to wake up big time. Sigma is now putting out comparable lens for substantially less $$ and companies like Yongnuo are nipping at their heals on the other end of the market.

Ive been a very loyal canon client since 1974 but with their price structure i can no longer afford to ignore what is being offered by the 3rd party market.

my opinion is that the 600's are not worth the investment.

umphotography wrote in post #16557154
I will take it a step further. I would say that with the introduction of the yn622c's, that the 600's are a waste of $$. You can use existing 580's and 430's in your kits and do the exact same thing that the 600's do for a heck of a lot less $$$.

Furthermore, if i were starting out, i would probably buy 430's and use them with the 622'c.......or the newer Yongnou versions of the 600's that canon sells.

Canon tried to force everyone to buy these 600's by discontinuing the 580ex11. This was a really bold move on canons part. There is nothing in their line up now except a 430 which is about a 3/4 stop less power output than the 580 ad 600's output.

I like having the ability to control A,B,C groups of flashes from back of the camera with canons systems but i dont like being forced to spend $500.00 for a flash. All canon had to do is do what Yongnuo did and make a trigger that would allow thier users to control the existing line up from the back of the camera.....everyone knows what canon did, everyone knows what yongnuo did.sales of the 622c have gone off the charts. Canon responded with a sale price on the 600's..........Pfffft. BFD.

Canon needs to wake up big time. Sigma is now putting out comparable lens for substantially less $$ and companies like Yongnuo are nipping at their heals on the other end of the market.

Ive been a very loyal canon client since 1974 but with their price structure i can no longer afford to ignore what is being offered by the 3rd party market.

my opinion is that the 600's are not worth the investment.

I never felt that a flash at 300+ is worth the investment in any system. These guys are trying to juice it to the max, a light bulb with some radio capacity for 500+ bucks? give me a break.

flowrider wrote in post #16556498
Thanks for the info. Do they make similar battery packs like the ones available for the Canon where it's 8 or so AA batteries? Can anyone confirm that the Metz is compatible with the 622c's?

why you are insist of using AA batteries for flash ?

you do know that AA batteries will never give enough power for flash
to recycle quickly, right ?

tongki wrote in post #16557213
why you are insist of using AA batteries for flash ?

you do know that AA batteries will never give enough power for flash
to recycle quickly, right ?

Yeah I do. I'm not a burst shooter anyhow. I'm just looking for minimal outlay and having one less type of battery to maintain. I've had Quantum and Metz dry fit batteries in the past and just looking at a different route.

warlock110 wrote in post #16557177
I never felt that a flash at 300+ is worth the investment in any system. These guys are trying to juice it to the max, a light bulb with some radio capacity for 500+ bucks? give me a break.

well,, they were $600.00 when they came out and all the fanboys jumped on them. I purchased the 580ex11's because they are a great flash that has decent power output and can play with the 430 systems.

The 580 systems would have been no problem until photographers figured out how to fire them off the cameras. A whole new world opened up with ETTL and HSS off the camera axis

It was a simple fix that canon stepped on the peckers with and Yongnuu didnt.simple as that. I would have paid what canon wanted with a canon 622c...why they went another direction baffles me.

But i get what yo are saying. Manual flash and cheap triggers do the job. But if your a pro you need to look pro i guess

I like the ability to control the light from my camera and not have to stop what im doing and run and change power settings. The 622'c solved that for me

I honestly dont know what canon was thinking with these 600's and discontinuing the 580 line up........Bonehead 101

^^^
This.

umphotography wrote in post #16557377
well,, they were $600.00 when they came out and all the fanboys jumped on them. I purchased the 580ex11's because they are a great flash that has decent power output and can play with the 430 systems.

The 580 systems would have been no problem until photographers figured out how to fire them off the cameras. A whole new world opened up with ETTL and HSS off the camera axis

It was a simple fix that canon stepped on the peckers with and Yongnuu didnt.simple as that. I would have paid what canon wanted with a canon 622c...why they went another direction baffles me.

But i get what yo are saying. Manual flash and cheap triggers do the job. But if your a pro you need to look pro i guess

I like the ability to control the light from my camera and not have to stop what im doing and run and change power settings. The 622'c solved that for me

I honestly dont know what canon was thinking with these 600's and discontinuing the 580 line up........Bonehead 101

this is true , pro needs to look the part, and it does help to be able to control the light output right on the camera, especially with the positioning of the flashes... some is just plain hard to get up/down just to adjust the power level.