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Dec 26, 2013 09:27 |  #1

Usually I build my own PC's and had a build figured out for this year, until this Christmas.

Last night my buddy called me up and wanted me to check out his first Mac that he got from his wife.
It was a Mac Mini with and I7 and 8 gigs of ram.

This was my very first experience with a Mac, I came away with a weird feeling. It was so easy to setup and after about a 1/2 hour of getting used to the navigation system it seemed allot more intuitive than Win8.1 and much faster (in my opinion).

I'm not sure how it would handle the usual stuff I do which is just image processing and day to day office apps, but it seemed quite snappy for the price.
He had a 3rd party USB external drive for storage and it accessed very quickly.

Now the question, should I make the switch because I need something new as my current setup is ancient.


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Dec 26, 2013 11:18 |  #2

If you are planning to replace an old system, then it is fair to question which operating system and related apps you want. Once that is decided you can move on to the hardware specifics of which desktop or laptop to select.

Personally I got the Win 8 beta just as I was planning retirement. I had had Win since release 3.10 (anyone remember that?). But before my Wins experience in the corporate world, I had a 1984 Mac for a year. So I converted my home desktop into a Hackintosh to see if I like OS....after not having a Mac since 1986. It felt like going home. So I got the wife and I an rMBP, migrated us to Mac OS, converted my Hack back to a Win 7 machine and gave it to my brother. Besides Ilife and iWorks apps, we run Lightroom, Pixelmater, and Nik Suite for photo processing. We have not regretted the migration to a Apple ecosystem.

But each person must make the value judgement for themselves based on their budget, app needs, skill set.....and a gut feeling of what makes sense for them.




  
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Dec 26, 2013 11:28 |  #3

Stick with Windows 7. I don't know why anyone would put Windows 8 on anything with no touchscreen.


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Dec 26, 2013 11:32 |  #4

Numenorean wrote in post #16554982 (external link)
Stick with Windows 7. I don't know why anyone would put Windows 8 on anything with no touchscreen.

Win8's core is much improved over Win7. But Win8's UI makes me want to launch a nuclear strike on whoever green-lighted putting it on a PC. That said, there's a few simple things I do to new Win8 PCs to make them work like an improved Win7. The idea is to set it up so you never have to see the new UI crap.




  
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Dec 26, 2013 11:38 |  #5

mike_d wrote in post #16554993 (external link)
Win8's core is much improved over Win7. But Win8's UI makes me want to launch a nuclear strike on whoever green-lighted putting it on a PC. That said, there's a few simple things I do to new Win8 PCs to make them work like an improved Win7. The idea is to set it up so you never have to see the new UI crap.

I don't see how the core is much improved. Win7 is perfectly stable and has no issues. No real reason to upgrade to Win8.


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Dec 26, 2013 12:00 |  #6

hotled wrote in post #16554699 (external link)
I'm not sure how it would handle the usual stuff I do which is just image processing and day to day office apps

You can buy Microsoft Office for Mac and it works the same as the PC version.

I just made the same move. It should be here soon. My desktop crapped the bed and I needed to replace it. Would have cost me about $2000 to upgrade my PC to what I want plus a new monitor. I decided to buy a fairly loaded 27" iMac with i7, 16gb RAM for only a couple hundred more.




  
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Dec 26, 2013 16:28 |  #7

You can buy Microsoft Office for Mac and it works the same as the PC version.

Complete with blue screens from Word?




  
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Dec 26, 2013 16:35 |  #8

MCAsan wrote in post #16555570 (external link)
Complete with blue screens from Word?

yeah but prettier




  
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Dec 26, 2013 16:37 |  #9

Blue screen animation.


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Dec 26, 2013 18:09 |  #10

hotled wrote in post #16554699 (external link)
ULast night my buddy called me up and wanted me to check out his first Mac that he got from his wife. It was a Mac Mini with and I7 and 8 gigs of ram.

I have been using the 2.6 gHz i7/HD4000/16 GB RAM Mac mini for just over a year (prior to that a couple of hackintoshes) and am perfectly pleased with its performance for photography and general computing. I also installed a 240 GB SSD in the Mini's second bay and initialized it and the spinning hard drive as a single Fusion volume. Very snappy.

I'd stay away from iMacs. They are great computers but with relatively poor displays for photo work.

I'm not sure how it would handle the usual stuff I do which is just image processing and day to day office apps, but it seemed quite snappy for the price.

I use Aperture instead of Lightroom and it handles my 5D Mark II raw files in real-time.

He had a 3rd party USB external drive for storage and it accessed very quickly.

It's USB3 so it should be fast. It also can concurrently drive 30" and 24" displays at native resolutions, plus it has a Thunderbolt port if you want to add eSATA drives (through an adapter). I have two 2 TB drives connected to the Mini via a single FW800 port where I keep my media and those files are distributed to my home devices with Plex Media Server (external link) (to other Macs, iPads and iPhones). Also, if you connect the Mini to your ISP's modem by ethernet cable then you can use the Mini's wifi as a wireless router.

Now the question, should I make the switch because I need something new as my current setup is ancient.

Well, that's a call you're going to have to make. But most people who switch seem to be happy with their decisions. I know I was, but that was way back with Win 98.

the flying moose wrote in post #16555063 (external link)
You can buy Microsoft Office for Mac and it works the same as the PC version.

You say that like it's a good thing. :)


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Dec 26, 2013 18:11 |  #11

I drank the kool-aid long ago... it tastes nice. Join the club.


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Dec 26, 2013 22:13 |  #12

Tony-S wrote in post #16555766 (external link)
You say that like it's a good thing. :)

I've been using PC since I can remember and I can honestly say that Microsoft Office is the only Microsoft product that I have never ever had an issue with regards to crashing, freezing, etc.




  
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Dec 26, 2013 22:14 |  #13

Asking which computer is best is like asking which religion is best, or which political party. Small portions of facts are sprinkled liberally with misconceptions, emotion and myth, making objective conclusions difficult to reach.

I've worked in technology and IT for over 3 decades and have used every version of Windows since the 1.0 Beta, and every version of MacOS since 5.something. In spite of spending 9 years working at a university surrounded by Mac evangelists, I never understood the attraction of the Mac user environment, and still don't. But I am also old and experienced enough to realize that my opinion is prejudiced by my experience with Windows.

I strongly believe that there are some people who just don't have the capabilities (mental, emotional, patience, creativity, what have you) to use a computer. It's not that these people are stupid, or even that they're ignorant about technology, it's just the way their brains are wired. They can be geniuses in other areas but are virtually hopeless when the smallest computer issue arises. Then there's another category of computer owner, by far the majority, who don't care wit about what kind of computer they're using, how much memory or gigahertz is sports, as long as it just does what they want when they want it. Take no offense that these are generally the kind of people who ask "which computer should I buy." To these folks, buying a computer is like buying a new cell phone: they want the current, shiny, popular model with all the bells and whistles, but they also just want it to work. And so when asked, my response is always to buy a Mac.

Is a Mac that much better than a PC? No, not really. There are certainly some advantages to owning a Mac, but I feel they are mostly balanced by the advantages to owning a PC. But one of the major advantages of owning a Mac is support. When you buy a Mac you essentially have to buy AppleCare, otherwise you get very limited warranty and support service. Everyone buys the AppleCare, or at least everyone should, or else you're not truly taking advantage of the best of what Apple offers. And the best of that best is the Apple Store itself. Because no other computer manufacturer has a network of local retail locations with factory-trained support staff on-site. If you have a question or problem with your Mac you just make an appointment, and in less than 24 hours (often less than 3 hours) you're standing in front of a real, live person and getting help. And, most important to me, you are not calling me up and asking me to be your unpaid support lackey.

Many PC manufacturers also offer premium-tier software and hardware support, and in most cases it is every bit as good as Apple's support except for the local retail stores, provided you buy and care for your PC the same way that Apple owners buy and care for their Macs. By this I mean going back to the OEM for all your upgrades and buying/installing reputable software from a reliable marketplace. Or, find yourself a reputable, local computer shop -- not a big box store -- and form a relationship with them. Yes, either of these alternatives will increase the cost of owning a Windows PC, just as that same level of service and support increases the cost of owning a Mac.

But in your case you have owned and used Windows and are comfortable enough to build your own Windows PC. But after using the Mac you immediately felt it was a better computer for you. What do you loose by switching to Mac?

  • The initial purchase price of a Mac will be more expensive. Possibly as much as double the cost of the Windows PC you were going to assemble yourself to get the same specifications.
  • You will have to buy most of the software you need from scratch, because most manufacturers do not allow cross-grading from one OS to the other.
  • There might be some software titles you use now that aren't available on the Mac at all. You might be able to use some of these packages in a virtual machine Windows instance under Parallels, but performance and usability will suffer.
  • There aren't many good games for Mac OS/X.
  • In spite of how easy you might find a Mac to use, there will be things that are not intuitive. So there will be a learning curve involved.
  • You may feel an overwhelming urge to wear skinny jeans, faux Wayfarer or Buddy Holly eyeglasses, and sport the unshaved beard and unstyled hair look. This may be accompanied by a preference for Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and artisanal coffee.

Personally, I don't find any difficulty in setting-up and maintaining my own Windows PC, nor do I put a lot of time or effort into doing so. In fact, I assembled, setup and maintain all the PC's for my immediate family, and most of them dual-boot Windows 7 Pro and Mac OS/X Mavericks. Even back in the XP days, when Microsoft was undoubtedly an insecure platform, my Windows systems were all malware free and reliable. I still run Windows 7 most of the time, only booting up OS/X when my daughter is having trouble with her Mac's.

But if you're willing to pay the price and won't have to give up a critical application, honestly there's not much to loose by going with a Mac.

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Dec 26, 2013 22:23 |  #14

Great post! (especially the last bullet point) LOL


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Dec 26, 2013 22:32 |  #15

bumpintheroad wrote in post #16556299 (external link)
  • The initial purchase price of a Mac will be more expensive. Possibly as much as double the cost of the Windows PC you were going to assemble yourself to get the same specifications.
  • Having built several PCs to the same specifications as an iMac, I can tell you this is simply not true. Macs and Win PCs, when equipped with the same features, cost about the same. They surely aren't twice as much. Apple doesn't play in the low-end, feature-poor, low profit margin market. This has been beaten to death here on the forums, but since you're new around here I'm sure you're naive about that.

  • You will have to buy most of the software you need from scratch, because most manufacturers do not allow cross-grading from one OS to the other.
  • So long as you're on the current versions you usually can cross grade for free or at a minimal cost.

  • There might be some software titles you use now that aren't available on the Mac at all. You might be able to use some of these packages in a virtual machine Windows instance under Parallels, but performance and usability will suffer.
  • Likewise, there is software for Macs that isn't available for Windows, and they often run substantially faster than similar apps found on Windows.

  • There aren't many good games for Mac OS/X.
  • Also mostly meaningless. The App Store has changed the game (pun intended).

  • In spite of how easy you might find a Mac to use, there will be things that are not intuitive. So there will be a learning curve involved.
  • True, but that learning curve is pretty short for most people. And in the long run it's probably irrelevant.

  • You may feel an overwhelming urge to wear skinny jeans, faux Wayfarer or Buddy Holly eyeglasses, and sport the unshaved beard and unstyled hair look. This may be accompanied by a preference for Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and artisanal coffee.
  • I see your true colors are shining through, Cindy Lauper! ;)

    There are plenty of reasons not to change operating systems, but the ones you listed aren't all that impressive.


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