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5D sensor dust showing in bokeh circles and f22 sky shot?

 
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Dec 26, 2013 16:55 |  #1

Noticed some debris in my bokeh circles from the xmas tree so I checked my rear element but all was fine. Shot with a different lenses and they showed up again in same spot. So I shot the sky at f22 and there is debris in the same place. I thought sensor dust would not show up in bokeh circles, especially shot at f1.8 or f2?

The one of the sky is shot on the 35/2 @ f22 and the other 3 are shot with 200, 85 and 35 wide open. I circled the biggest spot but there are more small ones. I tried rocket blower but no luck. Any ideas?

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Dec 26, 2013 23:49 |  #2

Ive now notice hundreds of white pixels in shots at 400iso 1/100s in the dark areas. They are in the same spot in each photo. I tried the "hot pixel remap" fix via sensor clean with cap on but no luck.

This is not normal, right?


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Dec 26, 2013 23:50 |  #3

You have dust on your sensor. Time for a cleaning.


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Dec 26, 2013 23:52 |  #4

If a blower wont clear it, it's time for a wet clean.


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Dec 27, 2013 03:45 |  #5

Looks like sensor dust.

You can try Dust Aid or lens pen. Pick/stick it up rather than wipe the whole sensor.




  
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Dec 27, 2013 05:41 |  #6

DON'T PANIC!
It's a 5D, this is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about, it is going to get dust on the sensor no matter what you do.
Fully research the options for cleaning the sensor, weigh up the pros and cons of actually doing it yourself.
You may find that cloning out the spots is far more cost effective and less hazardous.

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Dec 27, 2013 07:26 |  #7

Thanks for responses everyone, I didn't realize sensor dust could show up in bokeh as well!

How about the hot/white pixels I'm seeing in my low iso/short exp. photos? I haven't found any similar cases when searching google. Most only report a "few" white pixels that they were able to fix with the clean sensor method. I on the other hand see hundreds and can't get rid of them!


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Dec 27, 2013 07:32 |  #8

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Thanks for responses everyone, I didn't realize sensor dust could show up in bokeh as well!

If you have dust on your sensor it shows up 100% of the time. In busy areas it is just harder to see. When the image gets uniform, it stands out clearly. But to see it all over, do the sensor dust test.
1. take a picture at a small aperture. f/22 or higher. Take it of a uniformly colored subject. A clear blue sky does well as does a blank word document on your screen.
2. When taking the picture make it as OOF as possible. If shooting the sky, focus to MFD. If shooting your monitor, focus to infinity. Also, move the lens as well to introduce as much motion blur as possible.

What you will get is an extremely OOF image of a uniformly lit area. Only the dust specks sitting on the sensor will be somewhat in focus. To further enhance the dust specks, importing the image in to PS and using something like "auto-levels" will make the specks pop right out.


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Dec 27, 2013 19:39 |  #9

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If you have dust on your sensor it shows up 100% of the time. In busy areas it is just harder to see. When the image gets uniform, it stands out clearly. But to see it all over, do the sensor dust test.
1. take a picture at a small aperture. f/22 or higher. Take it of a uniformly colored subject. A clear blue sky does well as does a blank word document on your screen.
2. When taking the picture make it as OOF as possible. If shooting the sky, focus to MFD. If shooting your monitor, focus to infinity. Also, move the lens as well to introduce as much motion blur as possible.

What you will get is an extremely OOF image of a uniformly lit area. Only the dust specks sitting on the sensor will be somewhat in focus. To further enhance the dust specks, importing the image in to PS and using something like "auto-levels" will make the specks pop right out.

Yes, it will show up anywhere if it is there, including bokeh, just to mess with ya!:p My 600D's sensor has been very clean generally, but just this weekend, I noticed some white spots in some dark early morning shots I took, and a couple that looked big and dark as the sun rose. Didn't know where it came from, then realized it was because I had my rig on my cloth car seat. When I went to change lenses in the car to avoid drizzle or mist, I had moved my bag around and other things stiring up dust, so even in that short time with the body open, some dust fell into it and landed on the sensor. If I'd switched it off knowing it was there, it probably would have self cleaned, but with the moist air, it stuck, and leaving the camera on for pretty much the whole shoot, the spots showed up on everything, so had to do quite a bit of pp cleanup.

I got lucky, and was able to remove the dust with just a Rocket Blower later in the day.
if it's stubborn enough to not come off, I'd recommend a wet clean, but as mentioned, make sure you're comfortable doing so. do some research, and yes YouTube can be a great source of info with the better pro channels. It's not hard to do, but you've got to be physically comfortable (ie good workspace), interuption free, with good light, and most imprtantly...Have a reliable, and fully charged battery when locking up the mirror. This is the number one mistake people make when cleaning their sensors. The camera will also give out warning beeps if a battery is low or failing, so heed the warnings of the camera, and remove the swab immediately, and get the battery issue addressed. Your main risk is the mirror coming down, and (a. damaging the mirror mech., and/or (b. maring the sensor surface. The swabs themselves are very soft, and will not scratch, but the stick or handle end the cleaning material is attached to can poke through hitting the sensor if the mirror comes down on it.
Not saying this to scare you....Just things to keep in mind when doing it yourself. Again, it's pretty simple, and you will save yourself some time and money learning how.
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Dec 27, 2013 22:22 |  #10

Loxley wrote in post #16556851 (external link)
Thanks for responses everyone, I didn't realize sensor dust could show up in bokeh as well!

How about the hot/white pixels I'm seeing in my low iso/short exp. photos? I haven't found any similar cases when searching google. Most only report a "few" white pixels that they were able to fix with the clean sensor method. I on the other hand see hundreds and can't get rid of them!

I have the same problem although mine is not as bad, maybe below 10 white spots. Shows up at F22. They are obvious from 1/5 seconds and above exposure. Only a problem in landscape shots.

Not too sure if it's sensor dust or sensor noise but after I've cleaned the sensor recently, I don't see them anymore.

It's the only time I've had this problem. Dust? :confused:




  
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Dec 28, 2013 00:37 |  #11

One solution is to stop using f22.... after all, there's lots of loss to diffraction at so small an f-stop, too.


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Dec 28, 2013 01:05 |  #12

amfoto1 wrote in post #16558849 (external link)
One solution is to stop using f22.... after all, there's lots of loss to diffraction at so small an f-stop, too.

Seldom do F22 but I needed that 2 minute burn in and did not have my big stopper with me.




  
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Dec 28, 2013 06:46 |  #13

amfoto1 wrote in post #16558849 (external link)
One solution is to stop using f22.... after all, there's lots of loss to diffraction at so small an f-stop, too.

That's not really a solution. It is there in shots at f/8 or f/4 as well, it's just more diffuse and less easy to see. The real solution is to clean your sensor every once in a while. It's really not that complicated.


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