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Jan 28, 2014 10:00 as a reply to  @ post 16644001 |  #16

You can bury the PVC pipe too, or at least paint it to make it look better, burying it best for me.

You can forgo the water in the ground, but early in the morning when you plan on shooting, you could always place a black plastic pan of water sunken into your setting. (Removing it afterwards)
You can use sticks and small logs to use as a setting, use natural stuff from your area, I don't know if rocks are in Florida! heheh

As far as a blind goes, I have used one a few times in my yard, but usually, after I am out there a while, I can just sit on my patio. They seem to know you're there anyway, and if you're far enough away, they might not mind. I usually only go and do that in my yard when it's really cold or snowing though, when they're more hungry. In other words, you may not have to introduce the blind, all depending on what it is, of course. (Mine's a camouflage pop-up tent type)

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Jan 28, 2014 10:02 |  #17

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...O.K., my last one... :)
I have a man-made water feature in my backyard, I actually have 3, but my main one I use for shooting birds is right outside my kitchen window. I can shoot through my window and get pretty good shots that otherwise I wouldn't get. To be honest, I don't have the room you do, I live in the suburbs, and I only wish I have 5 acres like you, I'd go crazy, heheh (I only have 60 feet by 60 feet to play with, and most of that is large trees)
2 years ago my wife and I went to Lowes, (any home store similar will do though probably) and bought some pond liner, we used that to make a smallish water feature for the birds, and also for us. We planted all kinds of natural things around it, and we love it, but the birds love it even more!
We have Oklahoma moss rock around it, some small boulders, and have a small fountain in it to let the birds know it's 'safe' water...
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Do you have any photos of your pond? I'd like to see them. I'm going to (one day) do the same.

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Jan 28, 2014 11:23 |  #18

Heya,

My field is vast, so they see you coming the moment you come out the door. I have the setup in the front of the acreage so that it's not right up on the house for the days I'm not looking at them so they are as undisturbed as possible out there. Plus, I don't want the unwanted secondary visitors to learn to come close to the house either. So keeping a healthy distance. That's why I'll put a blind out. I'm going to grab a camo tent blind. Set it up and stake it down and just leave it there so they get used to it's presence and just pick good days and take a lunch and drink and my pipe and go chill in the tent and wait for them to come in.

I went out this morning to see how it was going and there were several song birds on the perches and feeding. I couldn't get within 50~60 yards without them spooking. I stick out like a sore thumb in the field. They're very spooky. So definitely doing a blind.

No photos yet, couldn't get the reach with a 250mm which is the longest I have until my 600mm ships. I'll probably set up the blind to be about 15 yards from the feeder. I was testing framing and that was a good range it seemed for 200~250mm. I can back it up once I get my longer lens. Will probably chill in the blind with a monopod and a flash.

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Jan 28, 2014 12:10 |  #19

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Do you have any photos of your pond? I'd like to see them. I'm going to (one day) do the same.

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Yeah, I do have some shots of them, not any good ones, I don't know why I never tried to shoot much of the water features themselves...
The large pond is about 16'x30', it's kind'a shaped like Texas, accidentally...
Another's about 6'x6'
The latest one is about 3'x3', but the "mound" and pond together is around 4'x12' or so...

Anyway, I will place links here because I have uploaded so many shots.
Also, this place that I am placing them is a strange place, it will enlarge the images by quite a bit. You will have to go to the upper-left hand corner of your screen and make it 100%, if you want.

Lots of these are from different time periods, my large pond is now about 23 years old, it's about ready to be filled in, so there are no new shots.
(I have a giant Cypress tree next to it and the 'knees' of the roots have poked way too many holes in the liner. I learned my lesson on that...)
Also, a LOT are junk shots, I am not trying to impress anyone with my photography, just only to show what having a water feature may do for you.
Some are REALLY CRAPPY, NOISY, or with either me testing an old 35mm lens, or either trying out my crappy Canon PowerShot, or, it's just my skills! :)

My advice on doing a larger pond is to go to YouTube and watch some videos on 'How To" there, back when I did this pond, YouTube wasn't around. Plan your water feature too ahead of time, and if you use rocks (or whatever) place it there and look at it, leave it overnight, then look at it again with fresh eyes.

My newest water feature in the photos are showing it being built, so it looks pretty bad, but after planting 'stuff' and everything fitting together, when it was all said and done, it looked REALLY good. I mean it looked magazine good, but, Summer's heat killed a lot of the plants during the last few droughts, so we didn't plant again, at least... yet... :)

Sorry to be so long in an answer, but I wanted to try and make it all clear, 'cause this is just a bunch of shots gathered hurriedly, hopefully it all makes sense.

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Jan 28, 2014 12:11 |  #20

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Heya,

My field is vast, so they see you coming the moment you come out the door. I have the setup in the front of the acreage so that it's not right up on the house for the days I'm not looking at them so they are as undisturbed as possible out there. Plus, I don't want the unwanted secondary visitors to learn to come close to the house either. So keeping a healthy distance. That's why I'll put a blind out. I'm going to grab a camo tent blind. Set it up and stake it down and just leave it there so they get used to it's presence and just pick good days and take a lunch and drink and my pipe and go chill in the tent and wait for them to come in.

I went out this morning to see how it was going and there were several song birds on the perches and feeding. I couldn't get within 50~60 yards without them spooking. I stick out like a sore thumb in the field. They're very spooky. So definitely doing a blind.

No photos yet, couldn't get the reach with a 250mm which is the longest I have until my 600mm ships. I'll probably set up the blind to be about 15 yards from the feeder. I was testing framing and that was a good range it seemed for 200~250mm. I can back it up once I get my longer lens. Will probably chill in the blind with a monopod and a flash.

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Jan 28, 2014 13:04 as a reply to  @ recrisp's post |  #21

You may have seen this video: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=YjYWG5l6Kzw (external link)

If not, watch the entire thing, lots of info, this guy knows his stuff.


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Jan 28, 2014 14:18 |  #22

mikeivan wrote in post #16644542 (external link)
You may have seen this video: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=YjYWG5l6Kzw (external link)

If not, watch the entire thing, lots of info, this guy knows his stuff.



Thanks Mike, that is a good video, and he does know what to do.
I've seen other videos of his, but I hadn't seen this one, although, here in Texas, we don't have mosses and stuff like he does there. heh
(I've tried using similar methods, but squirrels here are more plentiful than birds, so they will eat anything intended for birds)

Thanks again, that was very informative.

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Jan 29, 2014 06:51 as a reply to  @ recrisp's post |  #23

I was drinking coffee and was bored, so I was thinking about the below, it may help someone, you never know... :)

For those that aren't wanting a "water feature", try and make a mound of dirt into a 'stage'. I used the dirt from the whole I dug for my water feature, but I had to also add some I bought from Lowes.
This has the perfect places to not just hide seeds from the view of your lens, but really good photo opportunities also. Like I mentioned earlier, you can plant what you feel is good for your area, plus add a few very small limbs, twigs, leaves, and some larger limbs to make a very nice stage. I transplanted wild clover that was already in my backyard, and also some grass that was grown from birdseed, that in the right places makes a nice area to shoot. This doesn't cost much at all either, and it's attractive, and if your wife (or you) likes to plant flowers, etc., it's a good place to do that.

I had planned to make a small waterfall at the top of the feature, but we have since changed that into just 'some rocks', and this year we will fix that area, it doesn't look good to me.

At Lowes, they have bags of small rocks, pebbles, and crushed granite that is really good to mix together to make things look a little more natural. The shots I show are in the beginning stages of the water feature and the 'mound', so it doesn't really show what it actually looks like. My wife is always moving stuff around, changing this, or that, so it always seems to be in a state of construction.
Another thing too, in all of our ponds, we allow the leaves to stay in there, it looks really natural that way, adds some needed color and textures. Of course we do clean it from time to time, but it doesn't look as good when it's spotless. We do the same on the "mound", we don't keep after it so it will eventually look as natural as anything out in the wild. Weeds grow, and we cull the ones we don't like, but leave anything that adds to the flavor.

If your are into macro photography, this is also a good place to shoot stuff, all kinds of insects are there, not bad ones, just fun ones to shoot. That's just another good thing about one of these features.

Another thing that can be done is to put some sand there for the birds to use as a dirt bath, they love that, I did that on the backside of the mound so it doesn't show so much. It's not unsightly, but it works out best that way.

Personally, I like my "stage" to look 'natural', but, my wife likes to add her stuff too, so we meet halfway. (That is free marital advice!) :)

Periodically, I like to change out the limbs so that all of my shots don't have the same 'props', I sometimes drag limbs from the woods when I have been out shooting songbirds, etc. My wife didn't really care for it at first, but when she saw what it can do for a shot, she understands, a little more anyway. :)

I've even used this feature as a backdrop for my Craigslist ads more than once, I've made some pretty nice looking ads that people seemed to be attracted too because it stood out from others.

Right now, being Winter, mine doesn't look that pretty by itself, but through the lens, the 'bad' doesn't look that way at all, most is taken care of by bokeh. (I like REALLY small DoF in most of my shots, I don't know why) When Spring comes, I'm sure my wife will plant more "stuff", which will make it look good again. Our droughts here in Texas have really messed with a lot, our yards show it, the plants, we've even lost established trees and bushes that have been here for years, even after deep watering. (They are forecasting another drought this year) So really, we haven't really wanted to invest time and money into some plants that may not make it, but would otherwise, had there not been a drought.
One thing we do is leave plants like Boston fern, etc., in plastic containers they come in, dig a hole, and it looks natural, but when Winter comes, we bring them inside. That's another reason my "stage" doesn't look good year round, but it saves buying certain plants that are not cold hardy.

I hope this helps some, I'm definitely not a professional, :) but we have played around with this stuff for a few years, and I learn the hard way. There is no telling how many plants that 'should have' lived, but didn't, and my wife knows her plants too, so I don't think that is the problem. The REALLY pretty red Japanese Maple that is in some shots (with the dove), that has died, but we left it so birds would perch in it, and it works. (See the Cardinal on the red branches) Those trees are not cheap at all, we've had 6 total, only 1 is left. Some last years, some only 1 season, but they are very nice to have when they live. heheh

So, you don't need the 'water' feature really, just something that can be used for your shots, and when you're not shooting, you still have a nice spot that is useful to look at, and feeds the birds. (I also put down seed there for the Cardinals and ground feeders)

That's what coffee does for me, it makes me ramble on incessantly for way too long! :D

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Jan 30, 2014 14:07 |  #24

Heya,

Little update.

I don't have my blind yet. Weather has been poor. Will get the blind soon. Definitely noticing I need a longer lens. I was able to get within 30 yards I think today without spooking too much. I just hung out with them to see if they would risk the feeder with me near by. They were more willing to hang out than they were before (it's bad weather and cold, so the free meal is probably the factor here). At 30 yards or so, 250mm doesn't cut it. Can't frame anything up better than probably 10% of viewable area. Still waiting for my new 600mm lens to ship and get here. That'll change the game big time. Still waiting to put up a blind. Once I have the blind up, and can sit within 15 feet, I think I'll be able to do a lot better work with a 200~250mm. Let alone something longer.

Regardless, fun to see some local species making use of the feeder.

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Jan 30, 2014 22:37 |  #25

Free food and they will be there like pig on slop.

One think I noticed is you need to get the flash off the camera. Are you getting a tripod, gimbal setup for the 600mm lens? If so consider getting a flash bracket and the accessories to get the flash up off the camera, so that you don't the steel eye shots - like the Titmouse.

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Apr 04, 2014 09:45 as a reply to  @ post 16644013 |  #26

I would agree on the height of the feeder that it needs to be a little higher BUT using Saffower seeds is a better idea because tree rats do not like that seed :) it's disgusting to them :)


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Apr 04, 2014 10:04 |  #27

Looks great, lets see a few photos of it in action!

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edit; not sure how I missed the 'action shots'! I like it!


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Apr 04, 2014 13:32 |  #28

I'd recommend getting some more natural-looking perches. Clipped branches stick out like a sore thumb.
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Apr 05, 2014 08:42 |  #29

Hey Mal, was looking for this kind of info myself.. like you, I live on acreage and am fortunate to have a large pond that attracts lots of wildlife on a daily basics... So I was looking to create a feeding area as well. Appreciate everyone's input here in this thread, which has given me several ideas, to achieve my goal.


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Apr 05, 2014 20:46 |  #30

It may have been said but you need to put your setup closer to the woods or a place for them to escape quickly to when that Hawk stops by. One will stop by no doubt, out in the middle like that they are easy pickins...


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