70D or 6D? Please help me choose.

Be my, be my little baby...?

EOS5DC wrote in post #16576119
What is wrong with using a 6D to shoot (grand)children running around the house/yard/park?

Absolutely nothing. But the outer points on the 70D will work slightly better and be further spread out. I have no issues with my 6D's AF though

again, there is unfortunate habbit of many users to always recommend their own cameras and bash everything else...

6D has an advantage in term of high iso performance, but not that big to justify higher price and lack of other features in 70D...

the gap between crop cameras and FF is getting narrower every day, IQ difference is hardly noticable even on 100% crop.

I bought my 70D two months ago and had the same dilema - 70D, 7D or 6D... 70D has the best from all cameras including some totally new features like MFA 2.0...

In your case, i think rebel camera should be sufficient, but if you want invest some money, 70D is better deal.

only If you shoot jpegs in lowlight with high iso, 6D is much better.

^Did you read the thread? Most of the recommendations were for the 70D... even from 6D owners (like me).

yes, i red this thread, i was speaking in global perspective, there are other similiar topics like this

palad1n wrote in post #16576310
again, there is unfortunate habbit of many users to always recommend their own cameras and bash everything else...

6D has an advantage in term of high iso performance, but not that big to justify higher price and lack of other features in 70D...

the gap between crop cameras and FF is getting narrower every day, IQ difference is hardly noticable even on 100% crop.

I bought my 70D two months ago and had the same dilema - 70D, 7D or 6D... 70D has the best from all cameras including some totally new features like MFA 2.0...

In your case, i think rebel camera should be sufficient, but if you want invest some money, 70D is better deal.

only If you shoot jpegs in lowlight with high iso, 6D is much better.

The high-ISO advantage is THE reason lots of people bought it in the first place. I could use unedited JPGs from my 60D at 3200. On the 6D I can push that to 25600. It may not be worth it to you. Please allow that it may very well be worth it to others.

The IQ difference between APSc and FF is there and it is real. Any technological advances in sensors or processing algorithms will apply to both. More so to FF. Both formats are much better than they were a few generations ago. APSc has never been, and will never be, full frame.

I was having the same dilemma: 7D, 70D, 6D? I appreciate that the 70D was the best choice for you. I chose the 6D. It was an upgrade to my 5D. Key to that decision is the fact that I am keeping my 60D. If I had to choose ONE current Canon camera as my only body, it would be the 70D.

I agree with others here, the 70D would most likely be the best choice for the OP.

EOS5DC wrote in post #16576352
The high-ISO advantage is THE reason lots of people bought it in the first place. I could use unedited JPGs from my 60D at 3200. On the 6D I can push that to 25600. It may not be worth it to you. Please allow that it may very well be worth it to others.

The IQ difference between APSc and FF is there and it is real. Any technological advances in sensors or processing algorithms will apply to both. More so to FF. Both formats are much better than they were a few generations ago. APSc has never been, and will never be, full frame.

I was having the same dilemma: 7D, 70D, 6D? I appreciate that the 70D was the best choice for you. I chose the 6D. It was an upgrade to my 5D. Key to that decision is the fact that I am keeping my 60D. If I had to choose ONE current Canon camera as my only body, it would be the 70D.

I agree with others here, the 70D would most likely be the best choice for the OP.

I can use ISO 25600 even on my 70D (shooting RAW) and the difference is negliable with proper post for most people without pixelpeeping, thats my point. Why spending lot of money for FF and EF lenses for hobbyist ? Not everyone is a professional, who needs absolutely the best IQ (even if it means you pay hundreds of dollars for few percent advantage) and many people here thinks that the FF is the only way for everyone and make others think the same. It reminds me a typical elitism.... and I hate elitism...

I´am trying to be as fair minded as possible to help these people pick the right camera, not make them buy what i bought. I don´t even understand why people are doing that.

As i said, your 6D will save your time when shooting high ISO SOOC jpegs. If i wouldn´t care about post processing and AF system and wanted High ISO SOOC best quality shots, i would pick 6D.
You got 60D as a second body. You don´t have to rely entirely on 6D, which is a camera for very specific use. I would buy 6D and 70D rather then 5D mark III. 6D for high ISO performance and DR (landscapes and stills) and 70D for everything else. But i could buy only one, most versatile camera.

I haven´t picked 6D over 70D, because i can fight high ISO noise, but i can´t fix when pictures are out of focus. And 70D is clearly a winner with 19 point AF for fast action oriented shots = and children are pretty fast

7D + 5D II

old is gold

timrocks311 wrote in post #16576015
I am aware the 6d is full frame. I do like my prime lenses (its all i use at the moment) and think they would be nice on full frame. I was just thinking recently that a general zoom would be handy though. I could see myself getting more primes though if I got the 6d, like a 35 and 100.

Primes + FF =

6D.

I have both. It's hard to answer this question obviously since different situations require a different body.
I do not have kids though so I can't exactly put myself in your situation.
But I know that the 70D is the more well-rounded camera, and based on a few months ownership of both bodies and about 5000 images shot with both, I'd probably go with the 70D, even though the 6D is clearly better at noise performance.

6D better:
- portraits, low-light events, landscapes primarily. Yes, the 6D can do sports too its AF is not as bad as some people claim, but there are better alternatives for sports and faster moving subjects, such as the 70D Also, if you need a higher dynamic range, the 6D is better (but not as good as Nikons and Sonys)

70D better:
- AF system, not necessarily the AF speed (center point on the 6D is equal to the 70D's center point), but the number of points and spread as well as the outer points being cross-type on the 70D and non-cross-type on the 6D. I've been using the 6D's outer points with great success but my subjects in those situations are static or barely moving. But the 70D outer points are better.
- Dual Pixel AF. Awesome, both for videos and stills. Allows me to take shots I had problem taking before.
- Articulated screen. Again, very useful
- smaller with most lenses also being smaller than FF lenses.

I've had about 12-14 different Canon bodies through the years, all the Rebel ones (except T5i), 1DII, 5Dc, but if I had to pick a camera for normal everyday use, I think it would be the 70D. Recently we went on 2 trips; NYC and Florida and even though I had my 6D with me I mostly used the 70D due to its versatility. Came home with great shots, and videos too. The articulated screen and live view AF allowed me take lots of great low-angle birds shots, which is my favorite style. And I didn't have to lie in the mud and cramp my neck this time

So even though the 6D has a significant advantage in noise handling, I think the 70D is better suited as an all-rounder (indoors is also fine with the right fast lens.) The jpegs are very nice from the 70D with low noise and good colors even at higher ISOs.

6D if you listen to your heart, 70D if you listen to your brain.

palad1n wrote in post #16576383
I can use ISO 25600 even on my 70D (shooting RAW) and the difference is negliable with proper post for most people without pixelpeeping, thats my point. Why spending lot of money for FF and EF lenses for hobbyist ? Not everyone is a professional, who needs absolutely the best IQ (even if it means you pay hundreds of dollars for few percent advantage) and many people here thinks that the FF is the only way for everyone and make others think the same. It reminds me a typical elitism.... and I hate elitism...

I´am trying to be as fair minded as possible to help these people pick the right camera, not make them buy what i bought. I don´t even understand why people are doing that.

As i said, your 6D will save your time when shooting high ISO SOOC jpegs. If i wouldn´t care about post processing and AF system and wanted High ISO SOOC best quality shots, i would pick 6D.
You got 60D as a second body. You don´t have to rely entirely on 6D, which is a camera for very specific use. I would buy 6D and 70D rather then 5D mark III. 6D for high ISO performance and DR (landscapes and stills) and 70D for everything else. But i could buy only one, most versatile camera.

I haven´t picked 6D over 70D, because i can fight high ISO noise, but i can´t fix when pictures are out of focus. And 70D is clearly a winner with 19 point AF for fast action oriented shots = and children are pretty fast

Good points, all. Notice we do agree that the 70D is quite a camera. I found it very tempting, but settled (yes, 5D3 was my first choice, $$$) on the 6D to upgrade my 5Dc. That got me a lot more than upgrading my 60D to a 70D. I also agree with you that a 70D and a 6D together are more versatile than a 5D3.

I can get useable work out of my 60D at 12,800. I am sure that you are getting good product out of your 70D at 25600. Applying those same talents would yield quite useable shots from the 6D at 51,200. The real question is: how often is 51,200 or even 25,600 needed. If a minimum of processing is desired, the 6D has a lot to offer.

My main reason for wanting to keep the 60D is that I do not find it deficient in any area that the 70D would improve. Not a dig on the 70D, just a statement of how I use my camera. For the most part, I use the center point only. When I do use and outer point, the 60D does fine, for me. I don't do LV or video, so the 70D's AF system, while a huge improvement, doesn't offer me very much.

The 6D's AF performance is an entirely different league than my 5Dc. Just comparing the center points, the 6D is much better; faster focus in less light than the 5Dc could handle. I found the 5Dc's outer points mostly not worth the time to select them. Admittedly, my glass may be a factor here. The 5Dc struggled with the 28-75. The 60D and 6D do not.

I don't do this stuff for money. I have the good fortune to be able to afford a 6D. In the end, that is the driver for this purchase. The only reason I didn't get a 5D3 and go all FF, is the cost. We are all limited by that factor at some point.

Scrumhalf wrote in post #16576664
6D if you listen to your heart, 70D if you listen to your brain.

I've had two several ventricular tachycardia/fibrillati​on events, and can't remember a grocery list with more than two items on it. If neither my heart, nor my brain, are working properly, what did I use to decide on the 6D? I'm not sure.

I'd mention a third body part, something that late forties Corvette owners often listen to!

I recently went from a T4i to a 6D. I wanted a full frame camera. Period. I am an amateur by every sense of the word. But I enjoy taking pictures. And occasionally I get to take pictures for my business. But mainly, I am just shooting for fun. I was happy with my rebel, but I wanted more. Not everyone here is a pro photographer. But we all enjoy photography. Don't let people on forums sway what you want to do. Buy what you want, don't feel bad about it. If you can afford to buy something nice then you should. FWIW I really like the 6D

Scrumhalf wrote in post #16576833
I'd mention a third body part, something that late forties Corvette owners often listen to!

My feeble mind may be showing, but I don't know what this means.