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Jan 09, 2014 12:38 |  #31
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elitejp wrote in post #16591329 (external link)
i also agree that wifi is a feature that can be very useful, however, how hard is it for nikon or any company to add wifi.
wifi to me is like video. i mean p&s had it forever yet dslrs didn't. i dont believe it was they couldn't more than they didn't want to. however with sensor tech i think if something is left out its cause they couldn't

why would they include a small wifi chip that when bought in bulk cost 5-10 bucks (probably less) when they can charge you $100-500+ dollars more for bulky add-on.


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Jan 09, 2014 14:19 |  #32

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I Understand pwm2 is being a bit if an antagonist, but the points are very valid and i think it is needed.

I very, very much wants a new Canon sensor. I have a 5D2 and hoped the 5D3 would solve AF + DR. It did only solve AF, which made it too expensive to buy if I still had to wait for a 5D4 to get the DR.

But it is easy for people to believe that more DR or MP is in demand of every photographer, or that it is only some hobbyists with Rebels that can be fine with the current sensors. So it's important to spend some time trying to look at issues from more than one direction. Most photographers on POTN aren't using their cameras in ways that would allow them to see a difference from a sensor with more DR. What can't be seen doesn't matter, and unless people start to push shadows they have zero reason to not be happy with the DR of the current sensors.

I have a 6d, ok outer points suck. Dynamic range is not that of sonikon and I do like interior and landscape, however, my canon glass is very, very good, and that means more than a sensor. My 24L makes my 60d look a hell of a lot better than the sigma that I have of same fl, despite the same sensor. So while yes there are better sensors, for me, the ergonomics, menu system, lenses etc. make up a larger part of the pie as pwm2 was saying. It isn't like I am not taking great pics with my crappy sensor, or like that is really holding back my "art".

What should be kept in mind is that with technology, the "best" when you get to the point of really good, comes at very minimal incriments of improvement for the task. The same task can be performed with really good. Look at car racing, does the technically "fastest" car win every race? There is just more to it than any one component.

Even more importantly: Most of people who race don't do it in F1. Which means that their cars don't need F1 performance. If they compete with touring cars, then they want the car to be a good touring car. A press photographer has different needs than a landscape photographer. So the definition of "good" will be different when trying to pick a camera. A good press camera released before Sony released the Exmor sensor is most probably still a good press camera. Even if it has less DR and maybe less MP than a D800.

So Canon can be very competitive in most areas of photography, despite being way behind in the areas of photography where you need to push shadows or print really large high-quality prints.

I am not being a fan boy, but I chose a system, I am invested in it, and currently posses better tools for photography than famous photographers had, so at the end of the day, who bears the biggest blame for me not being a world renowned photographer, me or canon?

I'm too invested to buy a D800. And my good photos are just as good if taken now as they were when the 5D2 was brand new. Just that I know that I have to wait an unknown amount of time to get a replacement camera that I feel I like and is worth the money. But my views/needs of a camera is mine, and not applicable to the rest of the world.


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Jan 09, 2014 14:29 |  #33

nekrosoft13 wrote in post #16591387 (external link)
why would they include a small wifi chip that when bought in bulk cost 5-10 bucks (probably less) when they can charge you $100-500+ dollars more for bulky add-on.

The wifi grips did more than contain a $10 wifi chip. A wifi grip to the 5D2 would also add cabled ethernet, bluetooth, bus-powered USB port, ...

And you couldn't buy the wifi grips in bulk, which means they had to charge a huge amount of money to cover the R&D costs.

The 6D can't match a wifi grip in functionality. But by dropping some of the functionality and having that wifi functionality "forced" on every buyer, they no longer have issues with expensive R&D so the 6D could be released with a miniscule price premium. The big technological progress comes first with the functionality merged as standard instead of being optional extras.

In the end, pricing almost totally falls back to quantity.


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Jan 09, 2014 14:33 |  #34

Just because a product is limited in distribution does not mean that a lot was put into R/D. Wifi is a good example. The technology has been around for a very long time and it in many products.Adding it to a camera or grip should be a rather trivial thing to do.


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Jan 09, 2014 15:08 |  #35

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Just because a product is limited in distribution does not mean that a lot was put into R/D. Wifi is a good example. The technology has been around for a very long time and it in many products.Adding it to a camera or grip should be a rather trivial thing to do.

The wifi is the small part of it. Add the ethernet connection. Add bluetooth. Add USB support for a disk drive or a GPS. Merge all this and you need to write quite a number of lines of source code.

Lots of processors doesn't have support for multiple network interfaces - so maybe need for an internal hub/switch. Extra likely since the processor in the grip must also have a high-speed link to one of the processors in the camera body. Or maybe the wifi module might have to be connected to an external ethernet controller interfacing with the main controller chip using SPI. Suddenly even more code to write.

A camera like the 6D on the other hand can probably connect a WiFi chip directly to the main controller responsible for the user interface. Most larger microcontrollers have an ethernet controller integrated.

So the R&D for the wifi grips can not be ignored. They are not just WIFI. While integrating a WiFi module directly into a P&S or DSLR is a many times simpler task - a task so small that lots of students gets assignments to do it during their studies.


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Jan 10, 2014 02:19 |  #36

pwm2 wrote in post #16591773 (external link)
So the R&D for the wifi grips can not be ignored. They are not just WIFI. While integrating a WiFi module directly into a P&S or DSLR is a many times simpler task - a task so small that lots of students gets assignments to do it during their studies.

I can attest to this. I just happened to do this in a CSET lab right before break. It was quite fun. :)


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