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Jan 07, 2014 18:07 |  #16

Good help everyone - I do use the 10-14 range, but I might see how much I miss it first - maybe the extra coverage isn't necessary...but I'm thrilled to learn about the Loyalty program - might be able to use it even for the lens. I'll be checking out the other options listed, too. Thank you!




  
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Jan 07, 2014 18:10 |  #17

All you need for the CLP is an old Canon camera that you can trade in. Lots of people just look for an old broken camera in a thrift store or on freecycle or even on ebay - I guess that kinda goes against the spirit of the program, but Canon gets a sale and I seriously doubt they care.

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Jan 07, 2014 21:18 |  #18
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MalVeauX wrote in post #16585957 (external link)
Heya,

The 6D is a great camera to move to. Best in noise control. So if you photograph the night, this is the camera....

Exactly!


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Jan 07, 2014 22:26 |  #19

I recently got a 6D and love my 24L II as a wide angle. Same DOF as my T4i and 10-22 lens at 15mm. Also loving my new 40 stm on the 6D
Your existing 24-70 will suprise you just how wide it can be on the 6D, however it is not nearly as fast or good in low light as the 24L II


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Jan 07, 2014 23:00 |  #20

Scrumhalf wrote in post #16586508 (external link)
All you need for the CLP is an old Canon camera that you can trade in. Lots of people just look for an old broken camera in a thrift store or on freecycle or even on ebay - I guess that kinda goes against the spirit of the program, but Canon gets a sale and I seriously doubt they care.

Good luck!

So I called the CLP number and got two different responses...one said CERTAIN models are available (outdated was the criteria he mentioned), and said a 10D would be eligible for the trade in and gave me a price of 10% off refurb for body (10 D was what I thought I had loaned out to someone a long time ago, but it was a rebel xt). Called back and got totally different info - this time, I checked on the rebel xt, and he asked if it was broken. "No...it isn't"...and I mentioned what the previous agent told me, and he said the previous agent wasn't correct. Guess I'll call back...would really like to get the 6D on order. Disappointed!! I asked for a list from the first agent, and he said there wasn't a published one. This is pretty strange. He said they would have a technician check out the broken one and then either see if it qualifies for a repair, if not, then you might qualify for the CLP....




  
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Jan 07, 2014 23:00 |  #21
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I've had my 6D for a week or so. I looked at several reviews of the 17-40 and 16-35II. I am keeping my 10-22 and 60D. My next lens will, hopefully, be the 24L II. I'll revisit the UWA zoom issue after I get that.


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Jan 07, 2014 23:05 |  #22

rosalynsam wrote in post #16587180 (external link)
So I called the CLP number and got two different responses...one said CERTAIN models are available (outdated was the criteria he mentioned), and said a 10D would be eligible for the trade in and gave me a price of 10% off refurb for body (10 D was what I thought I had loaned out to someone a long time ago, but it was a rebel xt). Called back and got totally different info - this time, I checked on the rebel xt, and he asked if it was broken. "No...it isn't"...and I mentioned what the previous agent told me, and he said the previous agent wasn't correct. Guess I'll call back...would really like to get the 6D on order. Disappointed!! I asked for a list from the first agent, and he said there wasn't a published one. This is pretty strange.

Are you saying that you want to trade in an old XT to get the 6D? I don't see why they wouldn't go for that. I had an old Powershot P&S that they would have gladly taken in. The only thing you need to wait for is the 17-40 - they were out of stock the last time I checked.


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Jan 07, 2014 23:10 |  #23

Scrumhalf wrote in post #16587188 (external link)
Are you saying that you want to trade in an old XT to get the 6D? I don't see why they wouldn't go for that. I had an old Powershot P&S that they would have gladly taken in. The only thing you need to wait for is the 17-40 - they were out of stock the last time I checked.

Yes, I asked specifically - and he talked about repair and apologized for the "mis information" of the first agent. The first agent said that the 17-40 lens would be separate from the body (other than the body and the 24-105 together, which is out of stock). The first agent said I could trade in an old lens for 20% off the 17-40.




  
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Jan 07, 2014 23:12 |  #24

EOS5DC wrote in post #16587181 (external link)
I've had my 6D for a week or so. I looked at several reviews of the 17-40 and 16-35II. I am keeping my 10-22 and 60D. My next lens will, hopefully, be the 24L II. I'll revisit the UWA zoom issue after I get that.

So how is the 6D?




  
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Jan 08, 2014 00:33 |  #25
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rosalynsam wrote in post #16587198 (external link)
So how is the 6D?

So far, I am more than happy. I got a 35 IS at the same time. My most extreme low-light shots were with a 5Dc/28-75 combination. I ended up at f/2.8 and ISO 1600 on the 5Dc. Now I can get the same shot a f/2 & ISO 800. I can shoot jpg at that level, or I can raise the ISO to get more shutter speed. I have spent the day playing with, and comparing my 60D at 12,800 to the 6D at 102,400. WRT low light, I am satisfied. This shot is the 6D at ISO 102,400. (EXIF SAYS 65535, it doesn't go high enough.) Someone with more PP skill could most likely do better.

The other feature I am more than impressed with is the AF. Coming from a 60D with all 9 cross points, I was a bit leary. As I mostly shoot center-point AF, it wasn't a big issue, though. I find the outer points of the 6D to be quite good. Most of my ISO 102,400 work with the 6D was in poor light, using an outer point.


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Jan 08, 2014 01:02 |  #26

This may not be a popular opinion here, but because I was in exactly your boat not long ago, I'll share my opinion and experience. I mainly shoot landscapes and skyscapes outdoors and use ultra-wide most of the time.

2008-2012: I shot with the Canon 10-22 on crop and loved it to death.

Early 2013: decided I had to go full-frame, so I got a 6D. Got the 17-40L thinking it would be a rough equivalent to the 10-22. Immediately realized the corners are bad. I can't overstate this enough. I was never much of a pixel peeper until I had to deal with the 17-40L on full frame. Only the center 30-40% of the image is sharp, especially at 17mm. Even halfway between the center and corner is a noticeable dropoff, and 75% of the way to the corner is mush. At f/8.

Now: I've switched to Nikon, in part because I concluded that Canon simply doesn't make any FF ultra-wide zooms that give me IQ on par with what the 10-22 did on crop. Even the 16-35L II, despite costing a ton, is bad in the corners. It's really a shame.

If ultra-wide is your bread and butter, and you're averse to using primes, I'd seriously consider either sticking with crop or switching brands. If you don't mind primes, a combination of the Samyang 14mm and perhaps the Zeiss 21mm could work well, but that's a chunk of change and not very convenient. The Nikon 14-24mm can be adapted for Canon as well, but again, pricy, heavy and doesn't take filters.


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Jan 08, 2014 07:26 |  #27
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brettjrob wrote in post #16587357 (external link)
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2008-2012: I shot with the Canon 10-22 on crop and loved it to death.

Early 2013: decided I had to go full-frame, so I got a 6D. Got the 17-40L thinking it would be a rough equivalent to the 10-22. Immediately realized the corners are bad. I can't overstate this enough. I was never much of a pixel peeper until I had to deal with the 17-40L on full frame. Only the center 30-40% of the image is sharp, especially at 17mm. Even halfway between the center and corner is a noticeable dropoff, and 75% of the way to the corner is mush. At f/8.

Now: I've switched to Nikon, in part because I concluded that Canon simply doesn't make any FF ultra-wide zooms that give me IQ on par with what the 10-22 did on crop. Even the 16-35L II, despite costing a ton, is bad in the corners. It's really a shame.

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Thank you for the validation. I've stated many times that the EFs 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 is the best UWA zoom Canon makes. Which is why I am keeping the lens, and my 60D. Not only does a better EFs UWA zoom not exist, there is no selection of EFs UWA primes to be had, either.


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Jan 08, 2014 08:05 |  #28

I too am looking for an UWA lens for my new 5d Mark III. 17-40 vs. 16-35.
However I am keeping my 7D's for sports, second body, back up etc. so the 10-22 is going nowhere as it really is a nice lens.


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Jan 08, 2014 11:25 |  #29

gonzogolf wrote in post #16585833 (external link)
Given that the 10-22 sells for roughly the same as the 17-40 on the used market I would suggest upgrading to full frame and then selling the 10-22 to finance the 17-40. If you are holding on the idea of keeping the 10-22 for future use on the 40D forget about that. Once you go full frame you will want to stay there for your wide work.

Scrumhalf wrote in post #16585834 (external link)
^This. Sell the 10-22 and get a 17-40. At most, you'll pay $50-75 out of pocket.

This makes sense. I was in the same situation as you, and went with the 17-40. Although I didn't sell my 10-22, since I am keeping my 7D, it makes sense to do what is stated above.




  
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Jan 10, 2014 23:33 |  #30

Thanks to all the help from this forum! I should receive my 6D on Monday. The suggestions (and even practical help offer) was great! Thank you!




  
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