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Jan 12, 2014 15:03 |  #16

He actually said in his post he used outer points:rolleyes:

This post really shows the contrast of getting the job done in the real world vs. Internet forum tech obsession. Great shots! Looks fun, and yes I am a fan of the 6d "look" as well.

Now of course we all know if those were pictures of kids playing in the backyard he would need a 5diii:lol:


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Jan 12, 2014 15:42 |  #17

Nick3434 wrote in post #16599797 (external link)
This post really shows the contrast of getting the job done in the real world vs. Internet forum tech obsession.

Well said... that was the main point of my post. I read reviews for months, trying to figure out if I'd be able to use the 6D for skiing as well as I used my old 50D or 60D. From a single day's use- take that for what it's worth thus far- I am quite happy with the performance.


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Jan 12, 2014 16:04 as a reply to  @ smmokan's post |  #18
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The 6D AF bashing crowd silence is deafening!


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Jan 12, 2014 16:12 |  #19

Bakewell wrote in post #16599934 (external link)
The 6D AF bashing crowd silence is deafening!

Only because I have deleted all of my tack-sharp pictures of my active grandkids taken with my 6D under pressure of this thread: 6D and moving kids... :rolleyes:


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Jan 12, 2014 16:59 as a reply to  @ DwainRowe's post |  #20
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Usually in threads like this which shows the 6D's prowess photographing moving objects, i.e. kids, skiers, BIF, athletes from any sport one will find the 6D bashers stating one of two things...

1. Total luck on the photographers part!

2. But can you do that while standing on your head, blindfolded with one hand tied behind your back?

No? That's why you need a 5d3!

I would suggest most of these people (usually non-6D owners) learn how the 6d AF actually works.


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Jan 12, 2014 17:05 |  #21

If Mother Nature cooperates, I'll hopefully have more evidence tomorrow when I go to Vail or Beaver Creek and take a few more shots. :)


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Jan 12, 2014 17:19 |  #22
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Bakewell wrote in post #16600053 (external link)
I would suggest most of these people (usually non-6D owners) learn how the 6d AF actually works.

I wouldn't open my month when one doesn't even know what tracking is.

All points enabled al servo is one of the worst practice one can possibly use or rely on.

You are basically passing the job to the camera to guess where it should focus, it's almost as bad as face recognition on a smartphone.

Correction - smartphone probably does it better as it's not bounded by AF points, which btw are sparse and not every good (except the center) on the 6D.

There's nothing to learn in terms of AF on the 6D, no cases/scenarios/expans​ion whatsoever. All there's to learn is how you work around the huge limitations which even Rebel owners don't have to deal with these days.




  
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Jan 12, 2014 17:20 as a reply to  @ smmokan's post |  #23
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Good luck. Remember, just stay with the center point and away from those crappy outer points and you MAY do ok! Or you could rent a 5d3 for the day and have no concerns!


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Jan 12, 2014 17:21 |  #24

Great shots.

As for the 6D's AF, I've been involved in a couple of those "6D AF sucks" type threads in the past, where the lynch crowd became a lot quieter after I showed them my sequence of off-center point tracking shots from my 120-300 2.8 OS at 300mm and 2.8; and that's a Sigma lens, not even a Canon... Runners in the park, cars in motion, and birds in flight. All shot with the top AF point. I mean, it's sad that I had to go to the park and actually get real world shots to prove that yes, it's possible.
What's even sadder is that for most of those shots I could have (should have) really been using center point.
Yup, the 5D3 is better at that, and probably so are my 7D and 70D bodies too. But to say that it's impossible is just ignorance. And when shots like yours surface, it's never good enough, there is always something to criticize (just like Bakewell mentioned) The usual 5D3 argument is something like this: "but can you show me crisp 100% crops of your kids in action where the off center point was placed on the right eye at f/1.2??"

Now back to topic. Great shots, looking forward to more.


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Jan 12, 2014 17:26 |  #25

mgk2 wrote in post #16600106 (external link)
I wouldn't open my month when one doesn't even know what tracking is.

All points enabled al servo is one of the worst practice one can possibly use or rely on.

Who did that? I hope you're not referring to me, because I used AI Servo with the center point only...


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smmokan wrote in post #16600126 (external link)
Who did that? I hope you're not referring to me, because I used AI Servo with the center point only...

Not you OP, the comment was directed to Bakewell, as that's what he thinks 'tracking' is.

Center point only servo is the right way to go, great pics btw OP ;)




  
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Jan 12, 2014 17:34 |  #27
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mgk2 wrote in post #16600106 (external link)
I wouldn't open my month when one doesn't even know what tracking is.

All points enabled al servo is one of the worst practice one can possibly use or rely on. This Is Not Possible!

You are basically passing the job to the camera to guess where it should focus, it's almost as bad as face recognition on a smartphone.

Correction - smartphone probably does it better as it's not bounded by AF points, which btw are sparse and not every good (except the center)on the 6D.

There's nothing to learn in terms of AF on the 6D, no cases/scenarios/expans​ion whatsoever. All there's to learn is how you work around the huge limitations which even Rebel owners don't have to deal with these days.

Wrong. Not sure where you read this but obviously does not come from personal experience. You need to read the 6D manual. You can't have all points enabled on the 6D with AI servo. "Automatic" (what you're calling "all points") initially uses the center point only and transfers the tracking to other points as necessary to retain focus. Again...92-94 of the 6D manual.


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Bakewell wrote in post #16600147 (external link)
Wrong. Not sure where you read this but obviously does not come from personal experience. You need to read the 6D manual. You can't have all points enabled on the 6D with AI servo. "Automatic" (what you're calling "all points") initially uses the center point only and transfers the tracking to other points as necessary to retain focus. Again...92-94 of the 6D manual.

And again that's the worst kind of tracking one can possibly use.

When people uses the word tracking, 99% of them mean picking and sticking with one point in al servo, unless you are a greenbox shooter as that's exactly the kind of tracking the camera will do.

Doesn't matter what you want to call it, automatic al servo = al servo with all points enabled and activated, starting from center point. That's basically letting the camera decides where to track.

Who uses that anyway? Anyone?




  
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Jan 12, 2014 18:06 |  #29

DwainRowe wrote in post #16599492 (external link)
But... he did make it work (perhaps without using outer AF points) and did it very well. Very nice composition and focusing.

Why be a negative Nellie?

Excellent photography, OP!!!

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...because he doesn't own and probably has never shot with a 6d so has to trust all the Internet stupidity about the af system being poor...




  
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Jan 12, 2014 18:09 as a reply to  @ post 16599796 |  #30

Great shots!




  
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