upgrade from Canon 450d to 7d?

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16616984
The problem i am addressing is when the 450d is set at an ISO 1600 ,the amount of digital noise in the image goes through the roof. Working in low light environments enables me to use high ISO settings and i cant use flash in my field of work.Working with lower shutter speeds and wider apertures may allow so much light into the cameras sensor as you may well know, but all i am wanting to know is what a good step up would be.Dont get me wrong,i love my 450d as i have taken some amazing pics throughout the years,but i have out grown it and want to move on to better things.
Lightroom and Cs3 are good for post-processing work,but it's the photographer and the camera that takes the picture and that is what i am looking for.
I think i might go for the 650d or 7d,no one has helped in this forum in anyway,just writing the usual 'it's not the camera,its the photographer'.

I fully understand you need a body with higher iso capability. We need to know what lenses you have if you plan on keeping them to suggest a body hat is compatible with your lenses. THe easy answer is a 70d. Better than a 650d and is the newest and best crop body on the market.

sigma 10-22mm, canon 18-55mm , canon 60mm prime and ,sigma 70-300.The 450d is a efs mount which i am wary of,and these lenses may not work on a full framed sensor.I am sure that the 7d has an efs mount

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16616984
The problem i am addressing is when the 450d is set at an ISO 1600 ,the amount of digital noise in the image goes through the roof. Working in low light environments enables me to use high ISO settings and i cant use flash in my field of work.Working with lower shutter speeds and wider apertures may allow so much light into the cameras sensor as you may well know, but all i am wanting to know is what a good step up would be.Dont get me wrong,i love my 450d as i have taken some amazing pics throughout the years,but i have out grown it and want to move on to better things.
Lightroom and Cs3 are good for post-processing work,but it's the photographer and the camera that takes the picture and that is what i am looking for.
I think i might go for the 650d or 7d,no one has helped in this forum in anyway,just writing the usual 'it's not the camera,its the photographer'.

Probably without even realizing it, you have admitted that you are the problem with your ISO 1600 shots. The XSi is quite capable of nearly noise-free shots at that setting. The trick is that those shots have to be properly exposed and properly post-processed. I can get quite useable photos out of my 60D at 12,800. There's what, 2 years between them? Lots of folks do better PP than I am capable of. Look at Makis1 and Teamspeed's high-ISO work. If you don't like what you see in the XSi at 1600, you won't like what you see in any crop body at any higher ISO. There just isn't that much more to be had. Of course, if you want access to higher ISO, a new camera will suit you fine. That is not your problem. You don't like the ISO you have, you certainly don't want more.

I believe the reason people are suggesting things other than buying a new camera is because the upgrade from the 450d to the 7d for your uses that you have mentioned here don't seem to to indicate that you would that much better off with the 7d.

The 7d and the newer 70d are cameras that are geared toward the sports and wildlife photographers. The use of the crop senor allows the wildlife photographer to have more magnification with every lens they own. For the sports photographer, they get the frames per second necessary to capture a fast moving scene at the right instant by taking the most shots per second as possible.

From what you are saying we can imply that neither of these cases apply to you. They may, but from what you have said, there is no reason to believe they would. Because of this, upgrading to a 7d just seems like it may not be the best camera for you. Much of what you would be paying for the 7d would be for its FPS abilities. If you only want a better camera for ISO considerations, it would be wise to just use the camera you have now and save a little more and buy a 6d which may be better for your uses. From what you have mentioned, just upgrading to a 60d may be the wisest for you at this time. In your situation, I would compare the 60d and the 650d. If you want a better camera than those two and are willing to spend the money, then look at the 6d (or 5d Mark III if money is not a consideration at all.)

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16617041
sigma 10-22mm, canon 18-55mm , canon 60mm prime and ,sigma 70-300.The 450d is a efs mount which i am wary of,and these lenses may not work on a full framed sensor.I am sure that the 7d has an efs mount

So your options are T3i, T4i, T5i, 60D, 70D or 7D. I bought a 60d in August to add to my t3i. I like them both a lot. THe 60d is hard to pass up considering te price point. Then you have the 70d vs the 7d. Both great cameras, I think if I had to choose between the two, it would be hard, but would lean toward the 70d. It just has a lot of upgrades to the older crops. If I was serious about he 7d I would hold out for he 7dii. Also, when the 7dii does come out, the 7d price will tank. I think the 70d is the best option right now.

The 60d is also a best option, depending on how much you have to spend.

good to know,can i post an image up on this pageto show you what i am talking about. The image is perfectly exposed,and by doing a few tweaks on Lightroom i can blend down the digital noise by adjusting the noise reduction,but i dont want to do this to much as the image starts to have that plastic look to it.
Living in Scotland through the winter months is a very dark experience so that is why i am asking about different cameras,but i am glad that you said this.Knocking up the iso a couple more clicks would allow for a faster shutter speed set for the same exposure,and if i could put an image up i could show you what i want

That message was very helpful.Thanks for that

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16617076
good to know,can i post an image up on this pageto show you what i am talking about.

,and if i could put an image up i could show you what i want

You are welcome to post up an image. Best way to do it is with Flickr or the Photo hosting site of your choosing. Just post the photo on here with the IMG tags from the site.

Click "GO ADVANCED" under the Quick-Reply box. Click manage attachment in the page that comes up. You have to downsize images to 150kb to post them. It may be better to post a link to your original full-size, or give people a raw shot to process.

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Frodge wrote in post #16617093
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OP,
I spent some time shooting ISO comparisons with my 60D. First, a few assumptions.
I assume:
Since you deplore the XSi at 1600, you are shooting jpg.
Since you are shooting jpg, you are not (or minimally) processing your photos.
The ISO capabilities of the XSi and 60D are similar.

I took a few shots, in extremely poor lighting, with my 60D. f/8, 0.6 to 2.5 seconds, 1600-6400
1.) SOOC at camera-metered settings, ISO 1600.
2.) +1 EC @ 1600
3.) +1 EC @ 6400

It takes about 30 seconds to process a photo (or group of similars) in Lightroom. In that time I have no trouble making a properly exposed 6400 photo look significantly better than a camera-default photo at 1600. This suggests that you could easily make a default ISO 1600 shot look better than a default ISO 400 shot. If you consider that most cameras behave better at lower ISO setting, you could probably process that 1600 shot to look similar to a 200 shot.

Lots of people using crop bodies make good use of ISO 6400, even 12,800. If the camera weren't capable of it, nobody would do that. There will be next to no improvement in ISO 1600 going from your XSi to a brand new 70D.

First shot is SOOC @ 1600, second shot is properly exposed @ 6400 and LR processed.

EOS5DC wrote in post #16617670
OP,
I spent some time shooting ISO comparisons with my 60D. First, a few assumptions.
I assume:
Since you deplore the XSi at 1600, you are shooting jpg.
Since you are shooting jpg, you are not (or minimally) processing your photos.
The ISO capabilities of the XSi and 60D are similar.

I took a few shots, in extremely poor lighting, with my 60D. f/8, 0.6 to 2.5 seconds, 1600-6400
1.) SOOC at camera-metered settings, ISO 1600.
2.) +1 EC @ 1600
3.) +1 EC @ 6400

It takes about 30 seconds to process a photo (or group of similars) in Lightroom. In that

time I have no trouble making a properly exposed 6400 photo look significantly better than a camera-default photo at 1600. This suggests that you could easily make a default ISO 1600 shot look better than a default ISO 400 shot. If you consider that most cameras behave better at lower ISO setting, you could probably process that 1600 shot to look


similar to a 200 shot.

Lots of people using crop bodies make good use of ISO 6400, even 12,800. If the camera weren't capable of it, nobody would do that. There will be next to no improvement in ISO 1600 going from your XSi to a brand new 70D.

First shot is SOOC @ 1600, second shot is properly exposed @ 6400 and LR processed.

I am shooting in RAW file,good to see your pics though,i will send you a link to my flickr account,all the images have been taken with my trusted 450d,studio work is brilliant but outdoor portraits could be better,have a look around,i am having a website being made up which will be more organised than my flickr account so bare with me on this.

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/jamesiecotter/

Just wanting to know what a good step up in camera from the 450d would be.I do a little editing on Lightroom when i send my RAW files.the image on flickr are then turned into JPEG at 72dpi for internet use

EOS5DC wrote in post #16617097
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EOS5DC wrote in post #16617670
OP,
I spent some time shooting ISO comparisons with my 60D. First, a few assumptions.
I assume:
Since you deplore the XSi at 1600, you are shooting jpg.
Since you are shooting jpg, you are not (or minimally) processing your photos.
The ISO capabilities of the XSi and 60D are similar.

I took a few shots, in extremely poor lighting, with my 60D. f/8, 0.6 to 2.5 seconds, 1600-6400
1.) SOOC at camera-metered settings, ISO 1600.
2.) +1 EC @ 1600
3.) +1 EC @ 6400

It takes about 30 seconds to process a photo (or group of similars) in Lightroom. In that time I have no trouble making a properly exposed 6400 photo look significantly better than a camera-default photo at 1600. This suggests that you could easily make a default ISO 1600 shot look better than a default ISO 400 shot. If you consider that most cameras behave better at lower ISO setting, you could probably process that 1600 shot to look similar to a 200 shot.

Lots of people using crop bodies make good use of ISO 6400, even 12,800. If the camera weren't capable of it, nobody would do that. There will be next to no improvement in ISO 1600 going from your XSi to a brand new 70D.

First shot is SOOC @ 1600, second shot is properly exposed @ 6400 and LR processed.