upgrade from Canon 450d to 7d?

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16617682
I am shooting in RAW file,good to see your pics though,i will send you a link to my flickr account,all the images have been taken with my trusted 450d,studio work is brilliant but outdoor portraits could be better,have a look around,i am having a website being made up which will be more organised than my flickr account so bare with me on this.

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/jamesiecotter/

Just wanting to know what a good step up in camera from the 450d would be.I do a little editing on Lightroom when i send my RAW files.the image on flickr are then turned into JPEG at 72dpi for internet use

Nice stuff there. You obviously have more talent than I ever will. I looked at a few of your ISO 1600 shots. I don't see the problem. I think the best bargain in Canon right now is the refurbished 60D. I'm not sure if you have access to them, may be US only. For what you are shooting, I think the 6D would be ideal. I like it for cats and grandchildren!

When I went from a 450D to 7D, I felt the difference in image quality was quite noticeable, plus better shutter speed, less lag, better focus system etc... Then I went FF, again a step up in IQ, less frames per second, but a small price to pay for iQ.
Personally, I would go for a 6D, unless you need it for fast action

You're shots are amazing, and quite frankly I don't see a problem with them. You used a 450d for these photos? Your flickr account should be a poster example that people don't need a different camera, they need different skills. Your stuff is awesome.

Jamsie, nice shots on your flickr mate. I recognise a few of the locations too

If you do decide to go for the 60D for the increased ISO etc, you can get them for £419 ( Body only ) at Digital Rev. I've used them for lenses in the past and know quite a few people who buy from there with zero problems. I'll be ordering my 60D and a wide angle zoom from them next month.

Frodge wrote in post #16617770
You're shots are amazing, and quite frankly I don't see a problem with them. You used a 450d for these photos? Your flickr account should be a poster example that people don't need a different camera, they need different skills. Your stuff is awesome.

Thanks for that kind message,
All those pics are taking with my 450D, and i do love this little camera,but as i am setting up a business and always wanting to better my own work,i want to step up to a more advanced camera.The 450d is so easy to use and i will always keep it as i think its works brilliantly in the studio, but it does have its limits so that is why i want to make a step up.There are so many choices out there,but stepping up to a medium or large format would be good ,although the price can be very scary

Pat McGuire wrote in post #16617818
Jamsie, nice shots on your flickr mate. I recognise a few of the locations too

If you do decide to go for the 60D for the increased ISO etc, you can get them for £419 ( Body only ) at Digital Rev. I've used them for lenses in the past and know quite a few people who buy from there with zero problems. I'll be ordering my 60D and a wide angle zoom from them next month.

Cheers pat,
I will check it out,i have heard about this camera before,its between the 60d,650d,7d. Looking forward to getting a new one but very unsure with what to go for

Shoot RAW and post process yourself in Lightroom.
If you already shoot RAW, then spend some time improving your techniques in post processing.

If you don't do this, then any new camera will still present you with similar problems to those that you are having at the moment.

what kind of Full frame did you go for,and why go for the 6d.It looks like an amazing camera

I would go with a 60d or 70d. I never used a 7d, but have read a bunch of threads about unacceptable noise and something negative about the anti-alias filter. Not how true it is. 60f is a fine machine for the price, 70d is probably even better, but almost double the price.

jamesiecotter wrote in post #16616943
No,when the camera is on iso 1600 there is a lot of digital noise.The camera was set at a 50/sec and at a low f/stop to put up with the low light situations .I have had the camera for a few years now and was wanting to upgrade to a more pro quality camera like the 650d or the 7d,but everyone is saying that there iso quality is the same.
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everyone is saying that because it's true !

if you want to upgrade for better low light performance get a 6D (refurb). If you want to upgrade for better AF, shot buffer, video, other features etc, get the 60D or 7D or possibly one of the recent rebel models

Another possibility might be to use some more advanced noise reduction software. While I haven't tried it myself (see below for why), I've seen some amazing results posted online from DxO Optics Pro's new PRIME noise reduction feature. The only thing is it takes forever to run.

DxO Optics Pro is a raw converter that you would use instead of Lightroom:

http://www.dxo.com …hotography/dxo-optics-pro

It's made by a French company and is currently on special until the end January for US$99 (for your camera - for 6D and other "professional" cameras US$199). There's a trial version, and if $99 does solve your problem I'd say that might be a better solution for a student.

The reason I rejected it for my own use is that it apparently will not handle any colours outside Adobe RGB, which is a problem for the subjects I shoot.

nice one,thanks for that.Very helpful

InfiniteDivide wrote in post #16617000
No Full Frame cameras give you less noise with the same settings and same EF lens at iso 1600.
The 70D may be marginally better than your 450D at the same settings, because it is still a smaller sensor.

I had a xsi, went to a 50d, 60d, and currently 7d. I shoot mostly sports, so the 7d works great for me, and I have used all of them for sports. The xsi defiantly max out at iso 1600 hurt. For your requirements the new or used 60d would work great. Great high iso, focus is better, and fps better than your xsi. You don't need the advanced focus or fps of the 7d, and I don't see the 2x price tag of the 70d for your needs. You can find a mint 60d used for $450....
Full frame,,besides the cost of the body, lenses are very expensive for what I think your budget is.

Frodge wrote in post #16617005
I fully understand you need a body with higher iso capability. We need to know what lenses you have if you plan on keeping them to suggest a body hat is compatible with your lenses. THe easy answer is a 70d. Better than a 650d and is the newest and best crop body on the market.

That is totally a matter of opinion. I will grant that if video is your aim, the 70D is probably the best Canon camera on the market (still falling way behind a capable top line dedicated video camera).

The continuous auto focus of the 70D with the proper lens is great. However, if you equip your camera with an STM lens (which is needed for continuous video autofocus), you are certainly not working with the highest quality lens for still photography! The 18-135mm STM and 18-55mm STM lenses are nice but, their image quality is laughable in comparison with the image quality of top-line Canon glass...

If ultra high ISO is an absolute must, perhaps you might look on the dark side and consider Nikon gear.

By the way, a refurbished 7D is less expensive than a new 70D and a refurb 60D is less than half the cost of a new 70D. Doubtless, when refurb 70D cameras come on the market, their prices will be lower.

There are bells and whistles on the 70D which to me are totally irrelevant and useless (but, obviously this is not true for all photographers) such as an articulating LCD, in camera HDR and Wi Fi capability. I personally consider touch screen operation useless in still photography and simply a novelty in shooting video...

I wish that Canon would bring out a 1.6x camera which had:

ISO-25 capability... I would use this far more frequently than the gazillion ISO capability now available in most cameras...

Autofocus capability at f/8... Ability to use a 1.4x TC with a 400mm f/5.6L and retain autofocus...

Audio recording capability... to link with the image and to record data regarding the image...

Dual memory card slots...

IMO: These capabilities would make the best still camera possible.

Of course the later 1D (series) cameras have these capabilities (so Canon must believe that they are wanted by professional photographers). I don't want to use the 1D (series) because I normally carry two cameras and a pair of 1D (series) cameras are just too heavy for my wallet and too heavy for my back.

BTW: The 7D still retains the best autofocus capability of 1.6x cameras...

Frodge wrote in post #16617770
You're shots are amazing, and quite frankly I don't see a problem with them. You used a 450d for these photos? Your flickr account should be a poster example that people don't need a different camera, they need different skills. Your stuff is awesome.

+1

You deserve a 6D or 5Diii. Hope you can afford it. 70D would be a nice upgrade too (so I hear). The guy at Canon repair in Irvine thinks it's the best Canon DSLR for video (for it's video-suited AF system).

I have a 7D. It's nice, but due for replacement. It would be very limiting to not have ISO 3200 but IQ suffers in dark areas. ISO 6400 is only usable as a must-have capture but the result is borderline irreparable (in the dark areas), unless the grit isn't a problem.

All that said; I agree that in your hands, you're making your existing equipment look really good. I hesitate to offer you my humble advice at all.