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Jan 18, 2014 16:17 |  #1

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I currently shoot RAW images and do all my initial processing and conversions using Canon DPP. I like DPP, it's easy and intuitive for me.

I find the choices and options for final work with the jpeg image mindboggling, even with Corel PSP X4.

I am looking for a way to make everything go a bit easier. I don't need to work with many images at a time, if I shoot 200 or 300 images a month that is a lot for me.

Is there a one shot program that can handle my RAW conversions and let me manipulate the jpegs? I don't want to become a computer programmer so the simpler the better.

I am willing to spend $ 100.00 or so for my solution, otherwise I'll muddle along with what I have currently.

I'd like to hear from people that use either Corel or Adobe products and hear why you use what you use?

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Jan 18, 2014 18:16 |  #2

Personally I really like Lightroom. As well containing one of the best RAW converters out there it's also really good at managing your images, and producing excellent final output, be that printing directly, or via a file to a lab, posting to various websites such as Flickr, Photobucket or even Facebook. It will also produce slide shows and web galleries for you. The big advantage with LR is that for probably somewhere over 90% of images the LR RAW processing engine is all that you will actually need. The local brush edits now allow you to do basic cloning work (much improved in LR5) so much reducing the need to move an image to a pixel editor at all. It is now really only for complex cloning and combining images using layers that most photographers will need to fire up a pixel editor.

You talk about working on JPEG images after they have been converted from the RAW. Very often if you use LR you will never actually need to produce a JPEG file that you will keep locally. LR will upload your images directly to most of the major web hosts without generating an intermediate JPEG file. JPEG files become something you generate for a particular use and then delete, which is great as you always use the latest edits if you happen to make any changes.

In order for LR to do it's magic though it has one need, it uses a database file to keep track of all of your images, and the changes/edits you make to your files. So although you can keep the files absolutely anywhere on your computer's file system you must tell LR where they are. It is also a good idea to only move the files about from within LR, so that it is able to keep track of the changes. You can move files outside of LR, but then you have to tell the program where you have moved them to yourself. It's not too hard to tell LR where the images have gone (as long as you remember where you put them), and you can do whole folders, or even folder trees at once.

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Jan 19, 2014 01:08 |  #3

jtmiv wrote in post #16616403 (external link)
I currently shoot RAW images and do all my initial processing and conversions using Canon DPP. I like DPP, it's easy and intuitive for me.

I find the choices and options for final work with the jpeg image mindboggling, even with Corel PSP X4.

You should really never do final PP work on a jpeg. It is an 8 bit file format and in addition uses lossy compression (meaning that information is discarded in order to reduce file size).

When you have finished RAW processing and want to do additional pixel editing you should really convert the RAW to TIFF. It is a lossless format so it has more of the camera sensor data available and thus there are a greater range of changes/adjustments that can be made.


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Jan 19, 2014 05:50 |  #4

Editing JPGs is not best practice. saving and editing BMP, TIFF or PNG is better practice, though I don't believe they actually have that much more of the "camera sensor data available".


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Jan 19, 2014 10:23 |  #5

It should be pointed out that LR can import and alter JPG files very similar to what it can accomplish with RAW files.
However, LR and ACR both cannot do pixel level editing, where only a few pixels (or even one pixel) is altered, or graphic arts work...for that you need programs like Photoshop or Elements or Paintshop Pro.

While Elements and Paintshop Pro can do RAW conversion (similar to LR and ACR), they have 'crippled' RAW conversion capability with less power and flexibility than LR/ACR.

The best combination is a dedicated RAW convertor used in combination with a pixel-level editor. For that, you can spend a ton of money (or an incessant monthly cash outlay) on Photoshop Creative Cloud for an all-in-one. Or you can buy LR for less money, add in Elements/Paintshop Pro, and still have spent less money than the all-in-one from Adobe.


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Jan 19, 2014 11:29 |  #6

Lightroom and GIMP might be a good solution. GIMP is a bit quirky but it is a reasonably powerful pixel editor, it's free and many PS plugins work with it.


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Jan 19, 2014 12:08 |  #7

Dear Board,

Like I said I use Canon DPP for RAW processing and conversion. I pretty much stink at it but it is easy for me and I can always hit the undo button and start over if I need to do that. I find that DPP does what I need it to do even if it isn't the fastest or easiest program.

I may get PSP6, or I may just stick with the PSP4 for now and keep practicing. I am not a high volume shooter so I can be content to muddle along for a bit more time.

Thanks for your answers.

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Jan 19, 2014 15:19 |  #8

jtmiv wrote in post #16618514 (external link)
I may get PSP6, or I may just stick with the PSP4 for now and keep practicing. I am not a high volume shooter so I can be content to muddle along for a bit more time.

I've just upgraded from PSPX4 to PSPX6. There doesn't seem to be much difference except that X6 is 64 bit and quite a bit faster on my Win7 64 bit system. The speed made it worth the upgrade for me, but other than that I'd have been just as happy staying with X4. The user interface and functions are identical, as far as I've found so far.

If you spend some time working with PSP you'll find it's quite powerful and not so hard to use once you figure it out. Worth the time invested, IMO...

EDIT: one advantage to X6 is it includes an online user manual which seems to be pretty good.


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Jan 19, 2014 15:37 |  #9

Dear number six,

Thanks for your answer. It's good to hear from someone who is actually using the same program.

I just wish I knew someone that lived a bit closer to me that used PSP. An hour or two with a skilled user would allow me to pick up techniques and tips that take me hours to stumble upon. I'm not really intuitive with a computer, I sort of need to be shown what to do.

Is there a good guidebook available for PSP? I'd definitely buy one if it were available.

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Jan 19, 2014 20:42 |  #10

jtmiv, since you want to be 'shown what to do,' I suggest you go to youtube and watch some videos. Here: http://www.youtube.com …s?search_query=​pspx4&sm=3 (external link)


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Jan 20, 2014 14:47 |  #11

jtmiv wrote in post #16618934 (external link)
I just wish I knew someone that lived a bit closer to me that used PSP. An hour or two with a skilled user would allow me to pick up techniques and tips that take me hours to stumble upon. I'm not really intuitive with a computer, I sort of need to be shown what to do.

Is there a good guidebook available for PSP? I'd definitely buy one if it were available.

Regards,

Tim Murphy :D

Well, I don't suppose a trip to San Francisco for an hour or two makes sense. ;) (Although I bet you'd appreciate the weather we're having lately, right now it's 71 degrees and sunny.)

When I bought PSP X6 they invited me to try their free tutorials, which in most cases would apply to X4 as well. Check them out: http://learn.corel.com​/photo/courses/welcome (external link)

Amazon has some books that may help, but I can't say how good they are. Worth a try, I'd say, at around $20 each. There's one for PSP X4, but the books for X5 and X6 should be useful too.
http://www.amazon.com …ywords=paint%20​shop%20pro (external link)

EDIT: there are books on Amazon going back quite a long way. Bear in mind that, say, PSP 9 came out many years ago and was followed by PSP X. PSP X4 is really PSP 14.

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Jan 20, 2014 18:33 |  #12

Thanks for the answers folks. I'll snoop around the youtube videos and the Corel tutorial site and see if I can't teach myself something.

I would take a trip out of here if I could. Tomorrow I'll get to sit in the office and watch it snow and then be rewarded with a 30 mile return commute home through the snow.

Yippee!

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Jan 20, 2014 18:47 |  #13

I've been using Painshop pro since version 6 when JASC made the program. I really haven't seen any great improvement since PSP 8.1 that would make a difference in anything but speed. I also prefer X3 over X6, so I use X3 more often and 8.1 when I just need something simple. I use X6 when I think it may make a difference.

So for your needs I would recommend LR in addition to PSP. I really have no clue what you can't do in PSP that you can in Photoshop because I use them both and find PSP easier to use for many things.

My work flow usually involves using DPP 1st, then PSP if I require any raster editing and I finish off in LR. If I don't require any editing I use DPP and then LR. I have no idea why LR can't give me the initial results that DPP can as I've tried processing raw files in both to achieve the same output that DPP gives me in a couple simple clicks. For sure DPP seems to sharpen images better, even saturation looks better.

I'm not sure who could recommend Gimp. I'm very software savvy, but gimp takes a learning curve that seems ridiculous to master. For $40 PSP is a steal.




  
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Jan 21, 2014 14:21 |  #14

I too use DPP first, then PSP if required. Never felt the need for LR.

I definitely like the results of DPP on raw pics better than PSP or Photoshop CS4 (which I seldom use).

Dunno, Chet, seems to me I get more natural sharpening with PSP than with DPP. But you're talking about LR sharpening?

DPP doesn't easily allow sharpening on resized files converted to JPEG, and resizing for web use always requires significant sharpening. So I use PSP for final sharpening.


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Jan 23, 2014 10:17 |  #15

I use PSPx6 and have Adobe Elements and I much prefer PSP. It's easy, intuitive and pretty powerful stuff. I learn something new nearly every week.
There are some great tutorials on YouTube.


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