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Jan 20, 2014 13:31 |  #16

timrocks311 wrote in post #16621005 (external link)
Talking to almost anyone though, they say these are better on full frame and recommend the 17-55. I have the 18-55 kit lens and never use it. I don't find that range all that useful personally. So I guess I know the responses will be, "then buy the 24-105 if you think it's a useful range."

I re-read the OP, but still I cannot figure it out: If the 18-55 range is not useful, which one is? Is it something like 10-20, or beyond 55? Yes, the L lenses are great on any camera, FF or crop, but you they are also bigger than there EF-S counterparts, and typically more expensive. The 24-105 may be a great range, but my preference is a smaller 15-85 plus a 70-200. The 15-85 covers most of what I shoot, rarely I need to go over 85, and for street photography 24mm would not be wide enough. But it is for me.




  
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Jan 20, 2014 13:42 |  #17

I guess I tend to like the longer range as opposed to the wider angle. I certainly wasn't implying that you can't use an L zoom lens on a crop sensor, only that most of the time, people comment that they are better suited for full frame. I wasn't so sure why except for the focal length difference. So I appreciate those who commented on why they like their L lens on a crop. Thank you.


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Jan 20, 2014 13:48 |  #18

Lbsimon wrote in post #16621357 (external link)
I re-read the OP, but still I cannot figure it out: If the 18-55 range is not useful, which one is? ...

Longer, usually. This is the same reason I prefer the 24-105 and find the 18-55/17-5x ranges pretty useless. Trying to shoot an isolated element (not people) is nearly impossible with those because you have to be too close or too far to get a good framing and wind up with the subject too small in the frame or distorted from being too close.

It isn't that the lenses themselves are bad, or that no one finds them useful; it's just that not EVERYONE finds them useful.


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Jan 20, 2014 14:23 |  #19

Snydremark wrote in post #16621389 (external link)
This is the same reason I prefer the 24-105 and find the 18-55/17-5x ranges pretty useless. Trying to shoot an isolated element (not people) is nearly impossible with those because you have to be too close or too far to get a good framing and wind up with the subject too small in the frame or distorted from being too close.

Since I need the wide end without resorting to an UWA (when traveling), I find that the 15-85 is a good compromise for me in this respect, even though the 15-85 is a little slower at the longer end.




  
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Jan 20, 2014 14:27 |  #20

Lbsimon wrote in post #16621463 (external link)
Since I need the wide end without resorting to an UWA (when traveling), I find that the 15-85 is a good compromise for me in this respect, even though the 15-85 is a little slower at the longer end.

That makes perfect sense, too.


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Jan 20, 2014 18:43 |  #21

I will say, there is one L that's not very useful for crop. The 17-40L. I don't think it is often recommended for people with crop cameras, :lol:




  
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Jan 22, 2014 09:48 |  #22

timrocks311 wrote in post #16621005 (external link)
I just thought I'd ask, with the exception of the 17-55, are the L zooms generally not made for crop cameras? That doesn't mean you can't use them, but do people find them just as useful on a crop?

Well, I don't know if it applies to what you'll be shooting or not, but I love my 70-200 f4L on the T4i. I can't see myself ever handing over the $$$ for a full frame camera and the additional lenses I'd need for it, I'll likely upgrade to a 70D in the next year or so.




  
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Mar 25, 2016 22:57 |  #23

Of course you can use an L lense on a crop sensor as long as ef mount. 50D ON 70 70 200 2.8 IS. Sample photo link 50D CAMERA

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Mar 26, 2016 03:25 as a reply to  @ vengence's post |  #24

at one time the 17-40L was THE lens to own for a crop camera.


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I have a crop camera, the 70D. I bought it for better AI-Servo AF than my 6D, and the 'pixels on target' aspect of aps-c. The only ef-s lens I own is the 18-55 STM, which is BTW, excellent. I have an entire collection of L and non-L EF lenses: 28 1.8, 35 IS, 50 STM, 85 1.8, 100 macro, 135L, 17-40, 24-105 STM, 70-200 f/4L IS, 100-400L, and also a Rokinon and a Sigma FE. My lenses get used primarily on the 6D. They also work just fine on the 70D. Some make little sense on crop, but that is a separate issue.

Someone posted about the 17-40 not being good on crop. While I would never by a 17-40 if I only had a crop camera, the lens works just fine on crops. I'd grab the 18-55 first. It has more range, and IS. Why bother with the 17-40? But it works just fine.




  
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Mar 26, 2016 13:01 |  #26

APS-C or "crop" cameras can fully utilize BOTH EF and EF-S lenses.

Full frame cameras REQUIRE full frame-capable lenses (i.e. "EF").

By Canon's own definitions, Canon's L-series lenses:
#1. Are made to pro standards using advanced materials and manufacturing techniques (somewhat subjective criteria).
#2. Must include "exotic" glass of some sort (ED, fluorite, aspherical, etc.)
#3. Must be compatible with all Canon EOS cameras past, present and future.

#3 means that there will NEVER be an L-series EF-S lens, since those lenses only fit and work on crop cameras.

Because all L-series are designed for full frame, they tend to be offered in focal lengths considered most ideal for that format. EF-S lenses can and do offer some focal lengths that some might prefer with a crop camera.

But just because they don't have a red stripe or an L labels does not mean that EF-S lenses don't offer performance similar to L-series... especially in terms of image quality, but also in focus speed and accuracy, image stabilization, flare resistance, close focusing ability and possibly other respects. For example, the EF-S 10-22mm USM, EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS USM and EF-S 15-85mm IS USM are all very well respected for their IQ and performance in all respects, even if not L-series or built to quite the same standards.

EF-S lenses do not need to produce as large an image circle to cover the smaller size camera sensor, so an EF-S lens can be smaller, lighter and less expensive than an EF lens.

In general, EF-S lenses are in the wide angle to "walk-around" zoom range. There's little reason to make EF-S telephotos (one exception is the EF-S 55-250mm, made to be affordable... another is the EF-S 60/2.8 Macro, built as a crop only lens to be extra compact).

"Full frame" lenses... whether L-series or not, can work just fine on crop cameras. It really comes down more to personal preferences about focal lengths, since FF designs are typically produced in different ranges than crop designs, as well as cost, size and weight. For example, you just aren't going to find very affordable FF lenses that would be particularly wide on a crop camera... for example, compare the price of an EF 11-24/4L or EF 14/2.8L II with the size, weight and price of an EF-S 10-18mm STM IS or EF-S 10-22mm USM. Compare the cost of an EF 24-70/2.8 with an EF-S 17-55/2.8.

Now, some people prefer a 17-55 or 18-55 "standard" zoom on crop. Personally I like a 24-70 or 28-135 just fine on my crop cameras (and have 12-24 and 10-22mm lenses if and when I need wider).

In fact, for portraiture I like my 24-70L better on crop than I do on FF. It works great for that purpose on my 7D's, but seems a little short on my 5DII. For portraits with the FF camera I prefer to use 85mm or 135mm primes or a 70-200mm zoom.

And I use a 300/4L a lot on crop cameras, too. That's a reasonable size and weight lens that allows me to shoot handheld and be pretty mobile. To frame a subject the same way with my FF camera I need to get out an 8 lb 500/4L instead, as well as a sturdy tripod to put it on. There's a big difference in price, too!

Some people are "L-coholics"... they won't even consider buying a lens that doesn't have a red stripe. Personally I think that's really silly. There are some excellent non-L and there are some L-series that simply don't impress me all that much.

For example, the macro 100/2.8 USM (non-L and non-IS version) is identical build quality to the 180/3.5L USM macro... Both have top image quality, are full 1:1 capable and internal focusing, have similar focus limiters... heck they even share the same tripod mounting ring (optional on the 100mm). Both have USM focus drive, too, though frankly it performs better on the 100mm than the 180mm (because the 100mm has f2.8 aperture). The 100/2.8 USM simply doesn't need fancy elements to render very high quality images, so it doesn't qualify to get a red stripe painted on it. The 100L IS macro is also an excellent lens, and having IS may make it a little more useful for handheld shooting. But IQ, most other performance factors, and build quality aren't all that better and I can't justify the 50% higher cost just for IS because I do most of my macro shooting with a tripod or at least a monopod, as well as often with a flash that freezes movement.

Other examples are the Tilt-Shift lenses. The 17mm and 24mm are L-series. The 45mm and 90mm are not. Yet they are all very equivalent in build and design. The two longer lenses just don't need fancy glass, so can't be L-series!

Finally, another example is the EF 24-105L IS USM versus the EF 28-135 IS USM. The L-series appears better built... but actually isn't all that much better in most respects. They have similar image quality (the 28-135 actually has less vignetting at the wide end, but isn't quite as sharp all the way out at 135mm). The 28-135mm is 1/3 stop faster at the wide end, but one stop slower racked out to it's longest focal lenght (is 2/3 slower at 105mm). Both are close focusing. Both have fast, accurate USM focus. Both have 3-stop IS that needs to be turned off when locked down on a tripod. Both tend to get "zoom creep". The 28-135 tends to have a little wink of play between the inner and outer barrel, but it doesn't seem to effect IQ at all. The L-series lens sometimes sees it's red stripe break and fall off (purely cosmetic). The 24-105mm sometimes has a ribbon cable break that causes AF and/or aperture control issues. I've has aperture issues with a 28-135, too, though. The 24-105L costs about 3X as much! I can buy the 28-135mm for $300 new (plus $25 for the hood, sold separately) or $200 used. The 24-105mm typically sells for $1000 new (hood included, like most L-series) or about $600 used.

I've got some L-series lenses... and some that aren't L-series. Whether or not it's an L is really one of the very last things I think about when choosing a lens. I buy a lens that will do all that I need it to do at the best price I can find. If it has a red stripe or a gold stripe or a silver stripe or doesn't even have any stripes at all, I could care less!


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Mar 26, 2016 14:22 |  #27

Well damn, this thread came back from a two+ year slumber!!!

Kind of curious if the OP got a new camera or not




  
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Mar 26, 2016 15:21 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #28

the 10d used only EF lenses


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Apr 10, 2016 13:53 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #29

Thanks for this input as I am floating around for a new lens for my t4i to take with my family to Disney world.




  
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