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Jan 23, 2014 17:12 |  #16

As others have said already, your shots are overexposed. Every Canon camera I have used has a meter that is viewable in the viewfinder. You need to adjust your shutter speed until the indicator is located in the middle of the scale. However, with the pictures you have you can adjust the brightness in DPP, the software provided on the disc that came with the camera. Just slide the brightness slider to the left and watch the picture darken.

Bryan Peterson wrote a book titled "Understanding Exposure" and it is a good book to help you understand the relationship of shutter speed, aperture, and ISO. I would suggest you get that book but in the mean time just set up your camera for a shot and change one setting at a time to see how it changes the resulting picture. Set your aperture and ISO and leave them alone then begin taking pictures but with each picture change the shutter speed and observe how that affects the pictures. Then set the shutter speed and ISO and begin changing the aperture and observe the results. Then set the shutter speed and aperture and begin changing ISO. Hopefully you will soon begin to see how changing each setting affects the exposure then you can begin experimenting with things like depth of field and motion. Those are all things covered in Peterson's book.

The great thing about digital is you can experiment all you want and it doesn't cost you any more. Digital is a great teaching tool. Another thing is to install DPP on your computer if you haven't already. Most pictures can use some help in post processing and since DPP is included with you camera it is great software to begin with. The main thing is to take lots of pictures and have fun!


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Jan 23, 2014 17:21 |  #17

shoot in "P" mode, write down the settings then go to manual mode, replicate the settings and go form there. look at Shutter, Aperture and ISO as a triangle, every time you change one, it tugs on the other two, sometimes too much, sometimes not enough and sometimes just right and evenly.

also i highly recommend the book understanding exposure by peterson. you can get a used copy cheap on amazon.


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Jan 23, 2014 17:24 as a reply to  @ bigcountry's post |  #18

PTPenvision wrote in post #16630792 (external link)
use your screen to see how light the expose makes it rather than looking through the view finder as well.

Only if you are using the screen to see the histogram display or check for "blinkies". Otherwise, the camera screen is not a good way of assessing exposure.




  
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Jan 23, 2014 17:34 |  #19

over-exposed.

consider understanding the exposure triangle (iso, aperture, shutter speed) first. the problem isn't white balance.


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Jan 23, 2014 17:40 |  #20

Personally, I think TV is a good place for beginners in order to avoid blur. Let the camera pic the aperture if you're shooting buildings at a distance and such in which you don't care about bokeh. Also, let the camera choose ISO for a while.

Better to use some automatic modes and get a decent exposure than manual and blow it (if the picture is needed, of course. If you're just practicing then have fun.


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Jan 23, 2014 17:47 as a reply to  @ post 16630764 |  #21

Hi,

Manual mode is a great mode to use, but you need to understand the basic principles of photography (particularly the exposure triangle) in order to do so.

You say that you don't really know why you used those settings and that you write down settings you like to use in the future. The settings for shutter speed, aperture and ISO are all interrelated and vary according to the light, as well as what you want to achieve in the image as they also alter the way the image looks. The settings that produce a beautiful image in one case may produce a horrible mess the next time you shoot, because the light is different.

You say exposure compensation was zero, yet EC doesn't operate in manual mode so would always, in effect, be zero.

The exposure triangle, I mentioned earlier, is how you control the exposure. You balance the three settings (shutter speed, ISO and aperture) to allow just the right amount of light to record on the sensor. Too little light and the image will be dark, too much light and it will be very bright (as your examples).

ISO controls how sensitive the sensor is (how much light it needs). The lower the number, the more light needs to reach the sensor to expose the image correctly.

Aperture controls the size of the hole the light comes in through. The bigger the hole (smaller number) the more light can reach the sensor.

Shutter speed controls how long the sensor can see the light that comes through the lens.

There is a rule of thumb for judging exposure by eye, we call "sunny 16". That means that at f/16, the exposure on a bright sunny day will be roughly 1/ISO. So at ISO 100 you would want 1/100th second shutter speed, at ISO 400 you would want 1/400th second etc.

Now the interaction between them comes into play. We assess exposure in terms of "stops", each stop being a doubling, or halving, of the light. ISO doubles its number for each full stop (100, 200, 400, 800 etc) , shutter speeds also, but as a fraction so 1/125th, 1/250th, 1/500th etc.. Apertures are different as they are expressed as a ratio of the size of the "hole" relative to the focal length of the lens. so a large aperture might be f/2 and a small aperture f/16. If we look at a 50 mm lens, f/2 would give an aperture ("hole") of 25mm diameter (50/2) and f/16 would give an aperture of slightly more than 3mm diameter (50/16). On a longer lens, the f numbers would remain the same, but the holes would be larger to compensate for the narrower field of view. So on a 160mm lens f/2 would now be 80mm diameter and f/16 would be 10mm diameter. Aperture stops still allow double / half the light but the math now means that the numbers are not straightforward. The stops being f/1.4, f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16 etc.

The exposure that is required is always a specific level, determined by how much light is on the scene you are photographing. However you can choose the settings you use, to create the effect you want in your image, so long as you find a compromise that balances the three values to give that set amount of exposure.

So, to look at your images and compare them to "sunny 16", we see you used ISO 100, so we need the equivalent of 1/100th second at f/16. You used 1/50th so the shutter was open twice as long than 1/100th of a second, letting in double the light. Your aperture was f/7.1, rather than f/16, which is 2 and a third stops larger, so let in more than four times as much light. Combine the two and you have let more than 8 times the amount of light hit the sensor, than you should have. That is why they are so bright and washed out.

If you had used ISO 100, 1/100th and f/16 you would have had a pretty good exposure. You could alter the settings, if you wish, so long as you keep the balance. So you could use a faster shutter speed to freeze movement better, maybe selecting 1/800th instead, but that lets in 3 stops less light than 1/100th as it is open for much less time. You balance this by opening the aperture to let more light through the lens, a 3 stop bigger opening would need f/5.6 instead of f/16.

Think of it like a bucket with a hole in it. in one second a certain amount of water will flow through the hole. If you make the hole twice the size, then it will only take 1/2 a second for the same amount of water to flow through.

Did you use the lightmeter on your camera at all, or just pick the three settings at random? I don't know your camera personally, but you should have a bar scale in the viewfinder that alters as you change these settings, as you let more light in (bigger aperture, longer shutter speed or raise ISO) it will move to the right. Change settings the other way and it will move to the left. When it is in the middle, the camera is telling you that it thinks the exposure is correct. I say "thinks" because camera meters are easily fooled by bright or dark areas in the scene, and you may need to compensate for those. If there are a lot of bright areas, you will probably need to bring the needle to the left and vice versa for dark areas. If you simply centre the needle all the time, there is no point using manual as that is just using the same exposure the camera would on automatic or Av/Tv etc. but doing it the hard way.

There is a lot more to using the camera than this, but I have just touched on why your images are the way they are. You may be better off using the semi-auto modes for now and reading up on exposure (as mentioned above, "Understanding Exposure" by Peterson is the one usually recommended) and controlling your camera. Just jumping in and taking full control of a complex piece of equipment when you don't understand what the controls actually do, is just making things way too hard. Use some of the automation at first and gradually take over more control yourself, as you learn more about the camera.

Having said that, I would suggest you stay away from the full-auto mode (AKA "green box") and don't allow the camera to select the focus points itself. Make sure that you know which point you are using and that it is on your subject.




  
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Jan 23, 2014 17:58 |  #22

These pointers are exactly what I needed. Thanks again for the feedback.


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Jan 24, 2014 23:07 |  #23

Only thing I'd add, you don't need to write down the settings - concentrate more on visualizing the scene and deciding what settings you may need. Then compare to the settings the camera chooses in the partial-auto modes (Av Tv) ...

Then look in the viewer, you can see what the settings are for any shot after you shoot it. You can also get a better feel for settings after you put the images in the PC ... DPP or PS, whatever you use, rt click on image, click properties (or info) and a pop-up will tell you everything - Av SS, ISO etc. Then look at the shot, look at the settings (a screen will pop up and you can see it beside the image) determine what you like, what you don't like, exposure, etc. Get a feel for what settings give you that image in those conditions.




  
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