2014 Rolex 24 at Daytona Today

lusospeed wrote in post #16661876
You missed your calling in life, clearly you would have made a superb comedian.

I am fascinated by your comment below.

"And nobody can show me that they actually saw "spining" wheels with their eyes either. Its an instantaneous view."

Explain to me how wheels do not spin? Maybe in your universe they don't, but in this one they do. Shocker, isn't it?

I struggle with obtuse stupidity and you have crossed into that realm. You win, let me know when you get that Pulitzer prize.

I didn't say the wheels don't spin. I said they don't appear blurred to the eye. Human perception is an odd thing.

If that is what you see and enjoy fine. Quite presumptuous of you to claim that is the only way to present an image of race cars though.

PhotosGuy wrote in post #16664570
If you follow a passing car with your eyes, the car looks sharp, the background is a blur & so are the wheels. It's not as if we're portraying something unnatural. But suit yourself.

George Carlin once said, "“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

I think we are beating a dead horse at this point. Perhaps it's just best to move on.

Artistic effect? That's a new one.

The only way you can get away with a high shutter speed is a direct head on shot.

Even going to 1/500 is better than 1/1000 or higher. Give it a try next time.

sastein wrote in post #16685569
Artistic effect? That's a new one.

The only way you can get away with a high shutter speed is a direct head on shot.

Even going to 1/500 is better than 1/1000 or higher. Give it a try next time.

Really you should try water colors if you don't like reality.

stpix wrote in post #16690173
Really you should try water colors if you don't like reality.

I tried them in first grade. Too messy.

Hey, if you like the frozen look, go for it. It's your camera. If you post here you open up for opposing views. The majority of the folks here will tell you motion shows action. That's what racing is about. It's not an auto show.

Have fun, enjoy the racing, do what you feel is best. You don't have to please anyone but yourself. But if you post, expect opposing viewpoints.

Holy crap. Please, just let this thread die.

Stpix.... you've gotten some good advice in here. And it's your prerogative to take it or not.

Usually, a photo will look better with a little motion to give a sensation of speed. There are other things in the photo that can help. If I remember correctly these were shot with a fast shutter speed, yet they still give a sensation of speed.

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andrewmr wrote in post #16704053
Stpix.... you've gotten some good advice in here. And it's your prerogative to take it or not.

Usually, a photo will look better with a little motion to give a sensation of speed. There are other things in the photo that can help. If I remember correctly these were shot with a fast shutter speed, yet they still give a sensation of speed.

Well those are certainly nice images and the motion blur is an interesting artistic effect. My point is that it is absurd to say that is the one right way to take a picture of a race car.

Perhaps motion blur is good for a motorsports media image but there re times when someone would want an exactly accurate image of the car at speed showing every detail for technical reasons or maybe just because they like that better.

Ever see launch pictures from NASA or the USAF? Those are a good example of needing a clear exact accurate image of what was there for technical reasons without artistic interpretation.

stpix wrote in post #16706584
Well those are certainly nice images and the motion blur is an interesting artistic effect. My point is that it is absurd to say that is the one right way to take a picture of a race car.

It's not a black or white thing. Get what I did there I never said it was "the one right way". If you read (and understood) my post, you'd see that the first few photos did not use motion blur.

stpix wrote in post #16706584
Perhaps motion blur is good for a motorsports media image but there re times when someone would want an exactly accurate image of the car at speed showing every detail for technical reasons or maybe just because they like that better.

You are correct, there are times when one would want to stop the motion to review details. Or whatever reason that might be needed.

And it could certainly be taken that way simply because that's the way the photographer wanted. Clearly that is the way you like it.

It is however NOT the preferred method amongst photographers.

stpix wrote in post #16706584
Ever see launch pictures from NASA or the USAF? Those are a good example of needing a clear exact accurate image of what was there for technical reasons without artistic interpretation.

Yep, and those photos don't (usually) show up in the motorsports section. And if you wandered over the the glamour section there is yet another style used for "those" photos.

Look, you can stick your head in the stand and dispute the suggestions that have been offered, or you can embrace the critique and expand your skill set.


With that said, I went back to your original post and it didn't say you were looking for input on your photos. So if I've been out of line with my suggestions then I offer you an apology for doing so.

This thread is amazing.

You have crap photos. Period. They are not "artistic"

Your view on what current, and, frankly, always has been proper racing photo composure..

IS TO HAVE MOTION. Photography as a whole is meant to tell, or augement a story. That's what makes it art, it's supposed to convey emotion and bring something out of the viewer. Your pics are a bunch of cars that might as well be parked in lot somewhere. Bokeh and spinning wheels with blurred backgrounds are not modern cliche, it's been used for decades...at least 6 of them..maybe 7. So unless you are trolling, it's probably best to just acknowledge you don't know how to get the shots you are after.

That is your opinion, everybody has got one.

Some of you are certainly very sure that there is only one right way to take a picture.

Without motion, cars look fake and out of context. A photo is about a story and your photos have no story at all. Like others have said. It is your choice to take on advice given here by some people that shoot racing at the pro level. Blurring the background is not done for artistic purposes. It is done to ISOLATE the subject in the story.

Front shots done at high shutter speed...pans a low shutter speed...

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silvex wrote in post #16738023
Without motion, cars look fake and out of context. A photo is about a story and your photos have no story at all. Like others have said. It is your choice to take on advice given her by some people that shoot racing at the pro level. Blurring the background is not done for artistic purposes. It is done to ISOLATE the subject in the story.

Front shots done at high shutter speed...pans a low shutter speed...

https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=12343922&p​ostcount=1

This pretty much sums it up. Sometimes it is tempting to dial in a higher shutter speed in order to increase the keeper rate. Then I remind myself that I am here to shoot a race - not a car show. Racing is all about "competition and motion" and if the shots don't convey this you might as well be at a car show.

BTW silvex, These are nice: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/...22&po​stcount=1

stpix wrote in post #16727494
That is your opinion, everybody has got one.

Some of you are certainly very sure that there is only one right way to take a picture.

Some of us? How about the entire motorsports photography world.

pureadrenalin wrote in post #16748737
Some of us? How about the entire motorsports photography world.

So there is only one way? That reassuring.Don't look left or right.

Keep yours eyes straight ahead, and don't ask any questions comrade.