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Jan 28, 2014 20:59 |  #61

I think the problem with WD-40 is that it's a solvent. It could have dissolve plastics/rubber/adhesi​ves.

I'd check with the local Canon dealer to assess the damage and repairability, instead of us arm-chair camera techs who know "everything".


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Jan 28, 2014 21:37 |  #62

chantu wrote in post #16645740 (external link)
I think the problem with WD-40 is that it's a solvent. It could have dissolve plastics/rubber/adhesi​ves.

I'd check with the local Canon dealer to assess the damage and repairability, instead of us arm-chair camera techs who know "everything".

WD40 is not a solvent in the strictest sense. It is more a lubricant, in spite of the refined 50% mineral spirits in the recipe. It does not dissolve plastics and rubber material, I don't understand where all these myths come from?

While WD-40 Multi-Use Product it is not a grease, it is formulated with strong lubricating oils and other ingredients, and is a terrific product to use for bike maintenance. It does not attract dirt or moisture to metal surfaces – just be sure to wipe off any excess WD-40 Multi-Use Product before riding.

I don't understand what would have happened within the buttons, as it sounds like this could indeed be used to clean the contacts. It is safe for metal, rubber, wood and plastic per the manufacturer's website. So a rubber contact button over electronic contact plates should be fine.


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Jan 28, 2014 21:39 |  #63

My goodness Hania, I have heartburn just reading about what happened to your lens and cameras. I don't think you're naïve OR stupid, just human. We've ALL made mistakes and done things we wish we hadn't. Unfortunately, this is one of those things that you can't "undo" so there's no point in beating yourself up over it. I agree with the advice of those that have suggested that you send your gear off to Canon to see what they have to say about it. Good luck and keep us posted!


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Jan 28, 2014 21:55 |  #64

^ I agree, OR tt may be salvageable for parts as an ebay listed clearly stating the cause and effects.
You may get far more from someone with a camera repair shop than you expect.
I sold a Canon zoom lens with a 'SCRATCHED" FRONT LENS / ELEMENT absolutely clear stated multiple times.
I got a sale within an hour as a BIN, apparently it was worth more than my price, and made for a quick sale.
I took test shots and didn't notice the damage on the photo, but it was clearly a scratch hen looking at the lens.
Bought for $10 locally and sold for $60 plus shipping An older canon USM zoom. 28-70mm i think, I forget.
I restated that there was a scratch again before shipping. Got great feedback from the buyer too.


What i mean is, it may be more profitable to sell the damaged camera, and buy a new one. VS the cost of repairing that one.


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Jan 28, 2014 22:26 |  #65

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16645823 (external link)
WD40 is not a solvent in the strictest sense. It is more a lubricant, in spite of the refined 50% mineral spirits in the recipe. It does not dissolve plastics and rubber material, I don't understand where all these myths come from?

Here's where the "myth" came form (http://wd40.com/faqs/ (external link))
What surfaces or materials are OK to use WD-40 Multi-Use Product on?

WD-40 Multi-Use Product can be used on just about everything. It is safe to use on metal, rubber, wood and plastic. It can also be applied to painted metal surfaces without harming the paint. Polycarbonate and clear polystyrene plastic are among the few surfaces on which to avoid using a petroleum-based product like WD-40 Multi-Use Product.


In one sentence, it seems OK, and the next it doesn't seem so.


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Jan 28, 2014 23:24 |  #66

Contact Canon and see what they have to say about it.


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Jan 29, 2014 03:32 |  #67

chantu wrote in post #16645931 (external link)
Here's where the "myth" came form (http://wd40.com/faqs/ (external link))
What surfaces or materials are OK to use WD-40 Multi-Use Product on?

WD-40 Multi-Use Product can be used on just about everything. It is safe to use on metal, rubber, wood and plastic. It can also be applied to painted metal surfaces without harming the paint. Polycarbonate and clear polystyrene plastic are among the few surfaces on which to avoid using a petroleum-based product like WD-40 Multi-Use Product.


In one sentence, it seems OK, and the next it doesn't seem so.

No, it simply calls out two specific types of plastics vs the general class of plastics. It would be like saying something is safe for all vehicles, except for 4 door sedans and 2 wheel motorcycles. A button is nothing more than a plastic piece with a rubber seal sitting over a contact point. Most likely the spray pushed water and dirt farther down into the body causing damage, much like using compressed air into the buttons, or the spray got into the circuity and disrupted something. Still not good, and thus why you run alcohol thru the inside out so that you try to get stuff out of the body and not into it.


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Jan 29, 2014 03:34 |  #68

N2bnfunn wrote in post #16646019 (external link)
Contact Canon and see what they have to say about it.

They will say what they always say about water damage. It won't be covered under warranty, and either they won't touch the repair, or it will cost a lot of money.


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Jan 29, 2014 09:27 |  #69

I really feel for you and what you've lost. I have a 5D3 and a 70D now but did have a 7D before that. I know I would be devastated if this had happened to me after following someones advice, wouldn't matter if it was male or female, and it had been incorrect advice. Thankyou for starting this thread as it has probably saved someone else from doing the same thing and FWIW I don't think you were naive, gullible or stupid or anything like it, you are just very unlucky that you followed incorrect advice. Maybe next time you'll do a bit more research next time though, just to be on the safe side.

I really hope you can get the cameras and lens sorted out for as little money as possible. I have my gear fully insured against 'almost everything' but I doubt they would cover this.


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Jan 31, 2014 23:51 as a reply to  @ modchild's post |  #70

WD-40 should be relegated to the same place they should throw Phillips head deck screws... the trash. There are so many better products that truly don't harm equipment. I probably would have just tried distilled water first, or manually poked around the button with a needle to dislodge the bit of grit.

Don't worry though. How many of us have looked on the net, found the first thing we see and tried it. I mean, I haven't, but I'm sure others have. ;)




  
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Feb 01, 2014 02:48 |  #71

I've nothing constructive to add that hasn't been said already, but what a terrible thing to happen, we all make mistakes now and again, hopefully we learn something every time and they are not as expensive as this one.
I hope the guy who gave you the advice made a genuine mistake and was not being spiteful, if so I can only hope karma comes round and well and truly gets him!


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Feb 01, 2014 04:55 |  #72

I don't think you were Naive or stupid. You just trusted the wrong person and made a very expensive mistake. Life is like that.


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Feb 01, 2014 11:07 |  #73

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any chance he was being sarcastic?

I was thinking this at first, but most people would follow it up by saying "JK" and give better advice"

But, if she didn't know the photographer, he could of been serious and thought he was giving good advice. Sure they're *******s in all lines of work. But, it's hard for me to imagine someone would deliberately give you that advice knowing it would destroy extremly expensive gear. It really comes down to his demeanor. Since we weren't there, it's impossible to tell what his intentions were.

Not sticking up for the bozo. But he might of actually thought it would help which is what scares me the most. If he's told you that, god knows how many others he's told.

I am so sorry about your situation. Please keep us updated on the outcome. I hope it isn't as bad as we think.


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Feb 01, 2014 11:31 |  #74

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WD40 is not a solvent in the strictest sense. It is more a lubricant, in spite of the refined 50% mineral spirits in the recipe. It does not dissolve plastics and rubber material, I don't understand where all these myths come from?

From http://www.atmos.umd.e​du/~russ/MSDS/wd40.htm (external link)
WD-40 -- WD-40 AEROSOL - LUBRICATING OIL, GENERAL
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
NSN: 9150011013727
Manufacturer's CAGE: 09137
Part No. Indicator: B
Part Number/Trade Name: WD-40 AEROSOL
===============
General Information
===============
Item Name: LUBRICATING OIL, GENERAL
Company's Name: WD-40 CO
Company's Street: 1061 CUDAHY PLACE (92110)
Company's P. O. Box: 80607
Company's City: SAN DIEGO
Company's State: CA
Company's Country: US
Company's Zip Code: 92138-9021
Company's Emerg Ph #: 800-424-9300 (CHEMTREC)
Company's Info Ph #: 612-275-1400
Record No. For Safety Entry: 002
Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 002
Status: SMJ
Date MSDS Prepared: 01MAR90
Safety Data Review Date: 15MAR95
MSDS Preparer's Name: R. MILES
Preparer's Company: SAME
MSDS Serial Number: BXBPY
===============
Ingredients/Identity Information
===============
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: STODDARD SOLVENT; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES)
Ingredient Sequence Number: 01
Percent: 50
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: WJ8925000
CAS Number: 8052-41-3
OSHA PEL: 500 PPM
ACGIH TLV: 100 PPM


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Stoddard Solvent

CAS ID #: 8052-41-3
Chemical Classification: Volatile organic compounds
Summary: Stoddard solvent is a colorless, flammable liquid that smells and tastes like kerosene. It will turn into a vapor at temperatures of 150-200°C.Stoddard solvent is a petroleum mixture that is also known as dry cleaning safety solvent, petroleum solvent, and varnoline; its registered trade names are Texsolve S® and Varsol 1®. It is a chemical mixture that is similar to white spirits. Stoddard solvent is used as a paint thinner; in some types of photocopier toners, printing inks, and adhesives; as a dry cleaning solvent; and as a general cleaner and degreaser. Use of trade names is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) the Public Health Service, or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS).


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Feb 01, 2014 13:21 |  #75

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From http://www.atmos.umd.e​du/~russ/MSDS/wd40.htm (external link)
WD-40 -- WD-40 AEROSOL - LUBRICATING OIL, GENERAL
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
NSN: 9150011013727
Manufacturer's CAGE: 09137
Part No. Indicator: B
Part Number/Trade Name: WD-40 AEROSOL
===============
General Information
===============
Item Name: LUBRICATING OIL, GENERAL
Company's Name: WD-40 CO
Company's Street: 1061 CUDAHY PLACE (92110)
Company's P. O. Box: 80607
Company's City: SAN DIEGO
Company's State: CA
Company's Country: US
Company's Zip Code: 92138-9021
Company's Emerg Ph #: 800-424-9300 (CHEMTREC)
Company's Info Ph #: 612-275-1400
Record No. For Safety Entry: 002
Tot Safety Entries This Stk#: 002
Status: SMJ
Date MSDS Prepared: 01MAR90
Safety Data Review Date: 15MAR95
MSDS Preparer's Name: R. MILES
Preparer's Company: SAME
MSDS Serial Number: BXBPY
===============
Ingredients/Identity Information
===============
Proprietary: NO
Ingredient: STODDARD SOLVENT; (ALIPHATIC PETROLEUM DISTILLATES)
Ingredient Sequence Number: 01
Percent: 50
NIOSH (RTECS) Number: WJ8925000
CAS Number: 8052-41-3
OSHA PEL: 500 PPM
ACGIH TLV: 100 PPM


From http://www.atsdr.cdc.g​ov …toxsubstance.as​p?toxid=73 (external link)
Stoddard Solvent

CAS ID #: 8052-41-3
Chemical Classification: Volatile organic compounds
Summary: Stoddard solvent is a colorless, flammable liquid that smells and tastes like kerosene. It will turn into a vapor at temperatures of 150-200°C.Stoddard solvent is a petroleum mixture that is also known as dry cleaning safety solvent, petroleum solvent, and varnoline; its registered trade names are Texsolve S® and Varsol 1®. It is a chemical mixture that is similar to white spirits. Stoddard solvent is used as a paint thinner; in some types of photocopier toners, printing inks, and adhesives; as a dry cleaning solvent; and as a general cleaner and degreaser. Use of trade names is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) the Public Health Service, or the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS).

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