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Jan 28, 2014 04:41 |  #1
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Really thinking of buying the X-E2 with XF18 f2 to start with as a light walkaround. If things work out and the continous AF is *acceptable*, I might sell off some of my Canon gear to commit further...

Anyone thinking of the same thing?


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Jan 28, 2014 05:23 |  #2

No. I'm pretty happy with my 6D, 28mm f/2.8 IS USM, & 40mm f/2.8 STM as a very acceptably sized and lightweight walkaround/travel/low light kit. Especially if I man up & throw in the 24-105 if I don't feel like lens swapping. Still have to carry a flash with the X-T1, so no difference there.




  
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Jan 28, 2014 05:48 |  #3
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speedync wrote in post #16643428 (external link)
No. I'm pretty happy with my 6D, 28mm f/2.8 IS USM, & 40mm f/2.8 STM as a very acceptably sized and lightweight walkaround/travel/low light kit. Especially if I man up & throw in the 24-105 if I don't feel like lens swapping. Still have to carry a flash with the X-T1, so no difference there.

That's not really what you are saying in another forum ;)


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Jan 28, 2014 06:32 |  #4

The XT1 is looking very tempting. I wasn't impressed with the XE1 because it was a little too slow in functioning and build quality. The XE2 apparently fixed many of those issues, and the XT1 should be even better. I'm not tempted in switching to all and only Fuji, I'm tempted in adding Fuji.


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Jan 28, 2014 09:59 |  #5

I'm always tempted to go smaller, it's just that fast primes always tempt me to go back to bigger.

you can shed a lot of weight with your current gear, but how long will you be able to live with it? Take off your grip and slap on a pancake. How long before you put on your fast primes again?


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Jan 28, 2014 10:53 |  #6

Charlie wrote in post #16644023 (external link)
I'm always tempted to go smaller, it's just that fast primes always tempt me to go back to bigger.

you can shed a lot of weight with your current gear, but how long will you be able to live with it? Take off your grip and slap on a pancake. How long before you put on your fast primes again?

Fwiw, 35 f2 and 50 1.8 are comp in weight to the Fuji lenses. It's the body size that can make a difference. I don't mind the weight of my 6D, but it is boxier in form so it won't go in my messenger bag and looks a bit 'serious' sitting on a dinner table.

That said, I had an XE-1 and wouldn't go back. The list of things wrong for me was long and not addressed in XE-2. Focus peaking was a joke - so insensitive to changes in focus distance as to make it useless, IMHO.

6D with just the 35 f2 is my 'take everywhere' camera but I agree it's not the same.


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Jan 28, 2014 13:15 |  #7

kin2son wrote in post #16643479 (external link)
That's not really what you are saying in another forum ;)

How so? If I was looking to build a system from scratch, the Fuji would definitely be on the short list. But would I sell my current kit just to change for the sake of change? No. That doesn't mean I think the Fuji is rubbish though. Unproven as yet, though. My current kit does everything I wish for. Why change?




  
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Jan 28, 2014 13:21 |  #8
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I have both an X100 and a kit built around a 5D2. The X100 is my go to everywhere camera and it excels at that. I travel a lot on business and the X100 is with me everytime. I XC ski and road bike a lot and the X100 is with me. That little difference in size and weight make a huge difference when your primary outing is not photography. I think the new Fuji cameras along with their fantastic lenses would definitely be worth looking into.

Oh...and the image quality I get out of my X100 is at least on par with my 7D images.




  
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Charlie wrote in post #16644023 (external link)
I'm always tempted to go smaller, it's just that fast primes always tempt me to go back to bigger.

you can shed a lot of weight with your current gear, but how long will you be able to live with it? Take off your grip and slap on a pancake. How long before you put on your fast primes again?

Have a look at this link - http://www.fujirumors.​com …ook-fujinon-xf56mmf1-2-r/ (external link)

Many samples in large size.

The 56 1.2 (85 1.8 equiv) is *only* $999, based on the samples I think it looks exceptionally good, it looks better than crop + 50 1.4 and even ff + 85 1.8 imo (sharper, no ugly purple fringing, CA etc)

Looks crazy small and light too.

And let's not forget they now have 35 1.4, 50 1.4 equiv.which is what I ever need.


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Jan 28, 2014 15:46 |  #10

kin2son wrote in post #16644942 (external link)
Have a look at this link - http://www.fujirumors.​com …ook-fujinon-xf56mmf1-2-r/ (external link)

Many samples in large size.

The 56 1.2 (85 1.8 equiv) is *only* $999, based on the samples I think it looks exceptionally good, especially with the new X-T1.

Looks crazy small and light too.

And let's not forget they now have 35 1.4, 50 1.4 equiv.which is what I ever need.

the 56 1.2 is certainly an exceptional lens, but maybe the weather where it's tested, tonality seems kinda flat. High iso JPEG looks good. Checked with camerasize, and body is similar to the EOS-M.

No issues with sharpness, and bokeh good.


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Charlie wrote in post #16645002 (external link)
the 56 1.2 is certainly an exceptional lens, but maybe the weather where it's tested, tonality seems kinda flat. High iso JPEG looks good. Checked with camerasize, and body is similar to the EOS-M.

No issues with sharpness, and bokeh good.

Exactly...that's why I'm so torn now.

The IQ is damn good, sharpness and bokeh are all there.

And let's not forget most of the samples are sooc jpeg, it can only get better with RAW...

High ISO doesn't seem to be a huge issue either, the sooc jpeg engine is simply breath taking. Besides I hardly shoot pass ISO 1600.

With the new X-T1 AF tracking seems to be more than doable. (see here - http://www.fujirumors.​com/first-look-fujifilm-x-t1/ (external link)) Probably better than a 6D AND with 8 fps :p

What's not to like?


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Jan 28, 2014 17:23 as a reply to  @ kin2son's post |  #12

Where I personally get stuck, aside from usability issues I experienced with the XE-1, is it ain't cheap. $1200 or so for the body and 3 primes and you can be upwards $4K in. I couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger on a second lens (I was using the kit zoom).

I've seen too many newfangled camera systems come and be orphaned over the years and with digital the body is our film. If Fuji moves to a FF like Sony seems to be, will the X mount be dead in the next 5 years? I wouldn't mind so much if 1) the cost wasn't an issue for me (it is), or 2) I'm ok with my camera system being disposable like my smartphone (I'm not and certainly not at Fuji prices).

It has it's charms and if the risk of it not being supported - so you get stuck with a bag of X mount lenses but no new bodies available - doesn't bother you, then perhaps.

The x100/s circumvents this as you buy it as a one-off. The only support it needs is raw file interpretation if you shoot it raw.

I realize this argument applies to most any system other than the mainstream systems - Canon and Nikon FF and APS-C - but that's one reason I'm shooting Canon.


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Jan 28, 2014 20:20 |  #13

Fuji wants to stay APSC, primarily US users are wanting Fuji to go FF. They haven't done anything to show they will abandon a system, in fact, they've done the exact opposite" Putting out firmware updates for the x100 even though it is a discontinued model.

I didn't like the XE1 for build quality and slow operating (writing to card, functioning, etc). The fact that it was $999 at the time was a no-go for me. It felt like it was $399 body.
The XE2 sped things up but even Steve Huff commented that the build quality off the XE2 was still similar to the XE1, of which he isn't a fan. The XT1 apparently is very robust in build quality and very fast in operation. That bodes well, very well.


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Jan 28, 2014 21:10 |  #14

I have the XE-1. My biggest beef is the AF speed. I have the latest firmware, so the AF speed is not so bad. For outdoors or good light, the AF is just fine. XE-2 suppose to be even better, but not a lot better from what I read. IQ-wise, though the Fuji is very good, and ISO-wise I think it's better than the cropped Canons.

So, even with the AF limitation, and I think IQ trumps this limitation, in other words a good trade off for a go-anywhere camera.




  
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Jan 28, 2014 22:17 |  #15
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chantu wrote in post #16645760 (external link)
I have the XE-1. My biggest beef is the AF speed. I have the latest firmware, so the AF speed is not so bad. For outdoors or good light, the AF is just fine. XE-2 suppose to be even better, but not a lot better from what I read. IQ-wise, though the Fuji is very good, and ISO-wise I think it's better than the cropped Canons.

And the X-T1 claims to be even better with predictive continuous AF....so tempted...


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