Anyone tempted by X-E2/X-T1?

I've got the X100S to supplement my canon kit and it does everything that is asked of it. It's the only camera (I guess) that could have convinced me that there was no need to shoot Raw in the context that I use it..............the jpgs are just astounding as is the lack of noise at high iso

bidkev wrote in post #16645922
I've got the X100S to supplement my canon kit and it does everything that is asked of it. It's the only camera (I guess) that could have convinced me that there was no need to shoot Raw in the context that I use it..............the jpgs are just astounding as is the lack of noise at high iso

I always wanted a x100s too....

But when I saw you can have the X-E2 + 18f2 for ~$150 more I think it's a better buy. Then ofc the new X-T1 is coming soon which should drive the price of X-E2 further.

Gobeatty wrote in post #16645236
I've seen too many newfangled camera systems come and be orphaned over the years and with digital the body is our film. If Fuji moves to a FF like Sony seems to be, will the X mount be dead in the next 5 years? I wouldn't mind so much if 1) the cost wasn't an issue for me (it is), or 2) I'm ok with my camera system being disposable like my smartphone (I'm not and certainly not at Fuji prices).

It has it's charms and if the risk of it not being supported - so you get stuck with a bag of X mount lenses but no new bodies available - doesn't bother you, then perhaps.

I realize this argument applies to most any system other than the mainstream systems - Canon and Nikon FF and APS-C - but that's one reason I'm shooting Canon.

Tee he he he. Funny you should pick on Fuji for that. Heard of FD lenses? How about the EOS-M? No lens road map, not supplying/importing certain lenses or the new body to the US market. I'd have more trust in Fuji if I was going for a mirrorless system

speedync wrote in post #16646268
Tee he he he. Funny you should pick on Fuji for that. Heard of FD lenses? How about the EOS-M? No lens road map, not supplying/importing certain lenses or the new body to the US market. I'd have more trust in Fuji if I was going for a mirrorless system

I wasn't picking on a brand per se. FD lenses had a very long run. EOS M is a fair example and why I don't have one and wouldn't buy deep into M mount. Might get one with one lens to use as a tiny carry around (like an x100s) and adapter to mount other Canon lenses, but this is a different proposition from the Fuji. I just don't want to end up with $1,000's in lenses with no new bodies available. Imagine what sensors may be like in 5 years and you can't get a current gen sensor for your Fuji glass and can't sell your Fuji glass as no one wants it. This may not come to pass, and while I trust Fuji, I doubt they would go on making X format bodies if the demand for it dies or shifts to another preferred format.

I'm with speedync, I have no worries about Fuji giving up the mount any time soon. They showing nothing but a blazing commitment to the system. Look at all of the lenses they've put out since the first xmount camera, and look at their lens roadmap. Heck, they're developing a fast ultrawide (probably a 10 f2.8 or something like that) AND a super-telephoto. Fuji is the opposite of a system anyone should worry about folding.

Canon is a prime example of how to know when a maker isn't serious or committed to the mount system.
Sony is slow and a little clueless when it comes to putting out lenses but they prove their commitment to the former NEX system by constantly putting out new bodies.
Even Samsung proves commitment to the their mount system by putting out new bodies and announcing development of more lenses.

Besides, lets be honest, if someone wanted to buy a Fuji and 2 or 3 lenses, there is nothing stopping you from keeping it for a couple of years and then selling it off. Everyone worried about Fuji 2 years ago would be in a system that is STILL growing.

Gobeatty, your argument for not buying into the Xmount system based on commitment worry rings hollow and sounds forced considering facts: Fuji has plenty of lenses, more coming, more planned, and yet another body in preorder. Making this their 6th body since the first (in March 2012), and in 2015 a lens count totaling about 20.

I sold my 7D, Sigma 30, and Canon 85 two weeks ago. I pre-ordered X-T1 last night. I will be pairing it with XF 23mm initially. My reason for switching was to downsize and travel light.

The best camera that is at home is no good to you. If you want to carry your big canon stuff around with you then cool. I sold my 5d2 and all of my canon glass after shooting with the canon system for 10 years. I don't think one is better than the other, but it is just like anything. I got an x100 (the orignal one) through my work, and used it for a month. I have never shot so many photos in 30 days just for enjoyment than I did that camera. The files they produce straight out of the camera are great. Kind of like when I shot velvia. It was just awesome straight away. Again I will say it's not for everybody, but I also think that is the charm of the system. I'm not some dude who wants to go out and brag about my 5d, and a couple of white lenses. I like the understated nature of the fuji system. If it's inferior then that is just fine with me. I will figure out how to make it work.

Been listening to the stuff I've been posting Kin2on? I'm telling you, I love my X-E1 more and more every time I use it...

Charlie wrote in post #16644023
I'm always tempted to go smaller, it's just that fast primes always tempt me to go back to bigger.

you can shed a lot of weight with your current gear, but how long will you be able to live with it? Take off your grip and slap on a pancake. How long before you put on your fast primes again?

The Fuji lenses are plenty fast for most people's needs imo. I rarely need to use any of my lenses at f/1.4, usually I'm shooting around f/2-2.8 so my DOF isn't too narrow. With the Fuji you could actually look at it as a plus, you get the light gathering of f/1.4 but the DOF of f/2, awesome in my book most of the time.

BrickR wrote in post #16645665
I didn't like the XE1 for build quality and slow operating (writing to card, functioning, etc). The fact that it was $999 at the time was a no-go for me. It felt like it was $399 body.
The XE2 sped things up but even Steve Huff commented that the build quality off the XE2 was still similar to the XE1, of which he isn't a fan. The XT1 apparently is very robust in build quality and very fast in operation. That bodes well, very well.

I agree when it comes to write speeds, been meaning to toss my UHS-1 card in to see if it speeds it up, but I find the ergonomics extremely quick and second nature already and I think the build quality is fantastic! I'm honestly surprised to hear you say you're not a fan... what is it about the build you didn't like? It's a light camera sure, but all the dials and buttons feel very well made, the fit and finish is fantastic, everything is nice and tight and there's no creaks or wobbles at all in the whole system... I think it's fantastic.

I will also say that I agree the AF can be disappointing at times (in any kind of low light it refuses to focus, you have to find a definite point of contrast), which normally wouldn't bother me, but MF with focus by wire lenses is just awful imo. Unlike you though, I actually find my X-E1 very easy to MF with, especially since I can push one button (which my thumb rests under) and it zooms the viewfinder 3-10x for fine tuning... winning.

srn_photo wrote in post #16648778
The best camera that is at home is no good to you. If you want to carry your big canon stuff around with you then cool. I sold my 5d2 and all of my canon glass after shooting with the canon system for 10 years. I don't think one is better than the other, but it is just like anything. I got an x100 (the orignal one) through my work, and used it for a month. I have never shot so many photos in 30 days just for enjoyment than I did that camera. The files they produce straight out of the camera are great. Kind of like when I shot velvia. It was just awesome straight away. Again I will say it's not for everybody, but I also think that is the charm of the system. I'm not some dude who wants to go out and brag about my 5d, and a couple of white lenses. I like the understated nature of the fuji system. If it's inferior then that is just fine with me. I will figure out how to make it work.

I agree. I still see the X-E1 as a compliment to my 6D kit though. I'm planning to buy the excellent Fuji AF glass for the convenience of carrying the camera with me for daily things, trips out with friends, etc. Then keep my 6D and some really nice manual glass (Samyang 35mm, 85mm and probably 135L) for portraiture and other paid shoots or just out to shoot for the sake of shooting duty.

I've taken the X-E1 as my only camera out twice now and didn't miss the 6D at all either time (something I never felt with my M, which I still love, but it's reserved for pocket camera duty now, mostly for when I'm working). There's still something special about FF images with fast glass sure, but the Fuji's are seriously nipping at their heels, the IQ is incredible. I also must say that the Fuji files are a pleasure to edit even in my outdated version of Lightroom (4.4).

srn_photo wrote in post #16648778
The best camera that is at home is no good to you.

True, but.....

So you used it more, but that doesn't mean a thing as I believe in Quality > Quantity. I bring my camera out for a reason. Not walking around taking random snaps with a fixed 35mm FoV.

If you are a street photographer it might make sense, otherwise no.

kin2son wrote in post #16648845
True, but.....

So you used it more, but that doesn't mean a thing as I believe in Quality > Quantity. I bring my camera out for a reason. But walking around taking random snaps with no real purposes.

If you are a street photographer it might make sense, otherwise no.

The purpose is for enjoyment... he stated that

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16648854
The purpose is for enjoyment... he stated that

Um so it's just random photos then?

I actually don't believe in 'the best camera is the one always with you' theory. I mean I have my smartphone for that

The advantage of Fuji or other mirrorless is size and weight, you win some then lose some. It's down to what's 'good enough' for your needs and that's subjective...

Mirrorless makes perfect sense as a secondary camera, or beginners who is planning to buy their first crop DSLR with a ~$1k budget.

It's really hard for a ff shooter to 'downgrade' unless we are talking about A7/A7R...

Oh and the local price in Australia for the X-T1 as come out....$1799 body only

I can buy a Nikon D610 or 6D for less....and the decision isn't getting easier now that the EM10 is announced for half of the X-T1.

kin2son wrote in post #16648859
Um so it's just random photos then?

I actually don't believe in 'the best camera is the one always with you' theory. I mean I have my smartphone for that.

Some of my favorite shots have been random "I feel like shooting" shots. I very often just feel like going out and grabbing some photos, seeing what I can find to shoot... isn't that what photography is about for many of us?

I got this shot just out at random "just because" after getting my Sigma 18-50mm for my T2i and it remains one of my favorite shots

IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com …erydaygetaway/8​085320442/

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16648820
I find the ergonomics extremely quick and second nature already and I think the build quality is fantastic! I'm honestly surprised to hear you say you're not a fan... what is it about the build you didn't like? It's a light camera sure, but all the dials and buttons feel very well made, the fit and finish is fantastic, everything is nice and tight and there's no creaks or wobbles at all in the whole system... I think it's fantastic.

I rented the EM5 one weekend and the XE1 a month later for a weekend. MASSIVE difference in experience from two cameras that were the same cost at the time.

The EM5 was built and felt like a little tank. It was an absolute joy to use and actually made me want to take it everywhere. Then I got the XE1 and the body felt...hollow. Steve Huff says the same thing I found out after reading some of his reviews. The on/off switch flopped around like it needed to be screwed back down. It accidentally turned on multiple times while on my sling because it bumped against my body and it wasn't tight. It didn't feel expensive, and it is. Not to mention how down right slow it felt compared to the EM5 in basically every way.
My XE1 had the new firmware update so the AF wasn't bad, to me at least. For stills or portraits worked fine. The EM5 on the other hand was light speed fast in comparison. Touch to focus was almost instant on the EM5. Much faster than the XE1.

At $999 we are talking about 2 cameras at the same price point, and build quality and use wise, the EM5 felt like a finished product from a maker who has been doing it for a while. The XE1 felt like a first try (it isn't, the XPro1 was first, but Fuji has been making cameras for a long time). Disappointing in a major way.

I just didn't like the images from the EM5 as much as the Fuji. The EM5 images just looked a little to P&S for my taste (although ISO 6400 on an EM5 is better than 6400 on Canon's 7d/60d/T3i/T2i sensors). If Oly made an EM5 body with an APSC sensor I'd sell off my Canon gear. Mirrorless is just SO much easier to carry around and pack. Who wouldn't rather hike with an A7r instead of a D800e to do some landscape photography??

I swear, if Canon put the 18mp FF 1DX sensor (with 70d on sensor focusing) and no AA filter in a mirrorless body, I don't know why it wouldn't sell, WELL! Maybe they got suckered by Nikon into thinking the MP war was back on. US shooters are obsessed with big sensors. They want FF in a mirrorless body. The writing is on the wall! But they realize that mirrorless results in less size and weight in the body. They'll tolerate larger lenses if it is for a mirrorless body. Let's be honest, if two lenses are the same weight and length, one for mirrorless and one for DSLR, mirrorless will still take up less space because the lens-to-sensor distance is shorter.

I digress LOL!!

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16648920
Some of my favorite shots have been random "I feel like shooting" shots. I very often just feel like going out and grabbing some photos, seeing what I can find to shoot... isn't that what photography is about for many of us?

I do the same, except since I mostly use prime, I pick a lens for the kind of shot I envision before going out for a wander, anticipating what my subject matter is, and look for that accordingly. So I'm never totally aimless.

For example if I decide to take a macro lens, I'd be looking for flower and insects, such as this -

IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/kin2son/1095951​1905/

IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/kin2son/1155913​2303/

Of course you need to have a camera to take photos, but replacing a DSLR with various lenses with a x100 which has a fixed 35mm FoV means you're pretty much limited to the kind of photos/results you get. Never a wise decision if you ask me

Um that's not a bad thing if possible right?

I honestly wouldn't mind that

I don't think FF is the end all be all to IQ, I think Fuji has it right sticking with the APS-C sensor (but I also don't use my Fuji as my only camera). As for the build, again, I disagree. I can see how one would say it feels "hollow", but again, to me it's just light... and that's not a bad thing. None of the dials on mine feel loose at all, including the power switch, maybe mine is just in good condition, haven't had it long enough to know, but I did buy it used. I haven't shot with an Oly, but my EOS M feels like a brick compared to the X-E1, but I don't consider that a plus or a minus, it's just different. As long as everything functions as it's suppose to and the ergonomics are good and it doesn't feel like it'll break by hanging on my body (which it doesn't), I'm a happy camper.

Plus, the Fuji's IQ would be worth it to me even if it felt like crap

kin2son wrote in post #16648993
Um that's not a bad thing if possible right?

I honestly wouldn't mind that

My point is, why does it matter if the IQ isn't pixel-peepingly perfect? I have a 20x30 image taken with a 20D and Tamron 18-270 hanging on my wall and it looks excellent to mine and everyone else who's seen it's eyes... if I zoom in to 100% view in LR it's not that appealing, but who cares?

As for the outing, what's the difference in taking your 5D with one prime and taking an X-E1 with a couple of lenses? Both take up the same amount of space and weigh about the same, yet one gives you more options

Whatever though, different strokes for different folks.