Anyone tempted by X-E2/X-T1?

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649001
Plus, the Fuji's IQ would be worth it to me even if it felt like crap

The IQ is great, no doubt about that. I'd recommend it over Canon's APS-C sensor.

But ff is just better, and I'm sure we both agree (well at least that's what I hoped)

Regarding the build quality, I hated the EM5. It felt like a toy. The silver bits are cheap and only painted on plastic pretending to be metal. The buttons are all filmsy and felt like jelly. Also they are all cramped up and has no tactile feels to them whatsoever when pressed. Absolute junk if you ask me.

And I don't know what to think if someone thinks the X-E1 is worse...

Otoh I like the EOS M build. Brushed aluminum with a cold tough feel. Love it

kin2son wrote in post #16649006
The IQ is great, no doubt about that. I'd recommend it over Canon's APS-C sensor.

But ff is just better, and I'm sure we both agree (well at least that's what I hoped)

Regarding the build quality, I hated the EM5. It felt like a toy. The silver bits are cheap and only painted on plastic pretending to be metal. The buttons are all filmsy and felt like jelly. Also they are all cramped up and has no tactile feels to them whatsoever when pressed. Absolute junk if you ask me.

And I don't know what to think if someone thinks the X-E1 is worse...

Otoh I like the EOS M build. Brushed aluminum with a cold tough feel. Love it

FF is better for some things, for others it honestly looks the same. From ISO200-1600 it's basically a wash if you take DOF out of the equasion, but once you move past that the 6D definitely has the advantage. And there's definitely still an advantage to having narrow DOF at wider angles, but with metabones speedbooster the difference is marginal (still waiting for one in EOS mount though ).

As for the build quality; try to get your hands on one. To me it feels very solid, just light. The metal is metal, just like the EOS M. The only parts that are plastic are the grips on the front and back, but they're metal underneath in most areas, there's really no play in the body when I squeeze mine. The buttons feel just as good as they do on the M imo and the dials are excellent. The only dial I have a slight issue with is the exposure compensation dial, it's a little too easy to turn, but they've fixed that with the X-E2.

The new X-T1 is also a completely magnesium design, if you find the pictures of it's underbelly online it looks just like a pro level DSLR, fully metal clamshell. It's definitely a tempting camera, I absolutely love the control layout and the EVF looks incredible.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649001
My point is, why does it matter if the IQ isn't pixel-peepingly perfect?

Well it bothers me

Once you are used to pixel peeping perfect result, it's hard to go south....exactly why my M is getting abandoned

As for the outing, what's the difference in taking your 5D with one prime and taking an X-E1 with a couple of lenses? Both take up the same amount of space and weigh about the same, yet one gives you more options

The difference is, I know at the back of my mind, the X-E1 will never give me the same level of output compared to my 5D3, and as I said before, I believe in Quality > Quantity.

I acknowledge the size and weight difference, and of course if I have a choice I'd rather carry less, but I'm not so sure if I have to sacrifice IQ for that. It might work out for others thou.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649020
From ISO200-1600 it's basically a wash if you take DOF out of the equasion, but once you move past that the 6D definitely has the advantage.

I disagree.

I don't care about ISO chart or test results. But in my eyes, even at low ISO, ff is just better and sharper with finer details.

And as you know, I hardly shoot pass ISO800

I'm sure the X-T1 is going to perform and feel great, but @ $1299 body only, Fuji is way too up themselves imo.

kin2son wrote in post #16649032
I disagree.

I don't care about ISO chart or test results. But in my eyes, even at low ISO, ff is just better and sharper with finer details.

And as you know, I hardly shoot pass ISO800

I'm sure the X-T1 is going to perform and feel great, but @ $1299 body only, Fuji is way too up themselves imo.

That's because you pixel-peep

I never view photos past 1:2 in lightroom unless I'm curious. To my eyes even at 1:2 magnification with no NR, the difference is marginal.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649037
That's because you pixel-peep

I never view photos past 1:2 in lightroom unless I'm curious. To my eyes even at 1:2 magnification with no NR, the difference is marginal.

Then why X-E1..?

EM-5 will probably do the job just fine, then there's RX100....perfect for street and snapshots in a pocket-able size...

So where does it end?

I aim to move up, not compomising and go down, although the weight and size reduction is attractive...

I'm afraid the A7R is the only true solution for me

kin2son wrote in post #16649056
Then why X-E1..?

EM-5 will probably do the job just fine, then there's RX100....perfect for street and snapshots in a pocket-able size...

So where does it end?

I aim to move up, not compomising and go down, although the weight and size reduction is attractive...

I'm afraid the A7R is the only true solution for me

After reading quite a number of your posts, what you seem to fail to understand, is that EVERY camera has its compromise's. No system is perfect. Even your beloved full frame cameras have their downsides, depending on usage. You seem to be looking for a camera/system that does not exist, and never will. Some of us simply pick the camera/system with the least amount of compromises, for what we intend using it for, and go out and shoot. Take pictures that make US happy. Enjoy the whole experience, as opposed to obsessing over minute technical details and trying to produce perfection.

kin2son wrote in post #16649056
Then why X-E1..?

EM-5 will probably do the job just fine, then there's RX100....perfect for street and snapshots in a pocket-able size...

So where does it end?

I aim to move up, not compomising and go down, although the weight and size reduction is attractive...

I'm afraid the A7R is the only true solution for me

Then why did you create this thread...?

And the X-E1 because the IQ was noticeably better to my eyes just browsing dozens of threads, and I LOVE the control layout and the look, and most of all, the lenses. I also love that the 1.5x crop factor can actually be useful for some of my lenses, unlike the M4/3 2x crop factor which I find extremely un-appealing, especially since the speedbooster doesn't even give them close to a 35mm equivalent FOV.

speedync wrote in post #16649100
After reading quite a number of your posts, what you seem to fail to understand, is that EVERY camera has its compromise's. No system is perfect. Even your beloved full frame cameras have their downsides, depending on usage. You seem to be looking for a camera/system that does not exist, and never will. Some of us simply pick the camera/system with the least amount of compromises, for what we intend using it for, and go out and shoot. Take pictures that make US happy. Enjoy the whole experience, as opposed to obsessing over minute technical details and trying to produce perfection.

Exactly this, 100%. Sorry Kinson, you're expectations/demands are simply unrealistic.

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649101
Then why did you create this thread...?

Well as you probably aware already, I'm both torn and confused

Maybe for now, however Sony with A9R in a year or 2 my dream may finally come true

EverydayGetaway wrote in post #16649101
I LOVE the control layout and the look, and most of all, the lenses. I also love that the 1.5x crop factor can actually be useful for some of my lenses, unlike the M4/3 2x crop factor which I find extremely un-appealing, especially since the speedbooster doesn't even give them close to a 35mm equivalent FOV.

I am particularly impressed by the fact that they have a range of useful focal length primes designed exclusively for APS-C. Fast, sharp & useful usable focal lengths. Far far better than anything Canon have done with their EF-S range. Or M camera. That's a big part of the reason I shifted to full frame. Useful wide and standard focal length lenses that are reasonably priced. Not available in EF-S.
If I was starting from scratch again, one the Fuji X cameras would be my pick. Great manual controls, great lens lineup, good high ISO performance, and reasonably priced.

kin2son wrote in post #16649021
Well it bothers me

Once you are used to pixel peeping perfect result, it's hard to go south....exactly why my M is getting abandoned

The difference is, I know at the back of my mind, the X-E1 will never give me the same level of output compared to my 5D3, and as I said before, I believe in Quality > Quantity.

I acknowledge the size and weight difference, and of course if I have a choice I'd rather carry less, but I'm not so sure if I have to sacrifice IQ for that. It might work out for others thou.

So if you are a pixel peeping whore, why stop at FF...why not medium format digital. Why not the new Sony camera? Why not a D800e? If IQ pixel peeping is what drives you...then you are short changing yourself staying with Canon.

And I'll be brutally honest with you. If your Flikr site are truly samples of images you shoot, then any of the mirrorless cameras today would do. I don't see anything special in those shots that say " I need the best IQ from a full frame sensor ".

That's just my view of those posted images. Not trying to be mean...just honest.

Hogloff wrote in post #16649400
So if you are a pixel peeping whore, why stop at FF...why not medium format digital. Why not the new Sony camera? Why not a D800e? If IQ pixel peeping is what drives you...then you are short changing yourself staying with Canon.

Because I cbf selling and buying again.

I am ok with my 5D3, upgrading will come when funds allow.

When Sony releases A9R with 50MP ff sensor and improved continuous AF, I will most likely switch, I mean who wouldn't

kin2son wrote in post #16649408
Because I cbf selling and buying again.

I am ok with my 5D3, upgrading will come when funds allow.

When Sony releases A9R with 50MP ff sensor and improved continuous AF, I will most likely switch, I mean who wouldn't

I'm not that interested in a A9R or anything with a 50MP sensor. Don't need it for my current needs. Not interested in carrying around a tripod with me to get pin sharp images. Not interested in the huge glass that comes with FF systems. Not interested in the massive files that it would put out to process. Not interested in the slower AF.

Even though I love the heck out of my E-M1, I'm intrigued by and pre-ordered the X-T1. Am I a GAS addict? Sure, I am. But looking at the files that my E-M1 puts out compared to the GR with a APS-C sensor, I like the APS-C more. The X-T1 combines what I like about the E-M1 (building, grip, gorgeous EVF, dials, etc) and the APS-C with fantastic glass.

I am super tempted to click that Buy button for the XT-1. But that would involve selling my Canon equipment and my XE-1. My X100 is staying! There is still something special about a full frame sensor. However, the XT-1 checks pretty much all of my requirements, even the predictive AF! I like to see if the XT-1 can handle some light sports photography. Ughh, GAS is so painful!

Lien wrote in post #16650599
I am super tempted to click that Buy button for the XT-1. But that would involve selling my Canon equipment and my XE-1. My X100 is staying! There is still something special about a full frame sensor. However, the XT-1 checks pretty much all of my requirements, even the predictive AF! I like to see if the XT-1 can handle some light sports photography. Ughh, GAS is so painful!

Best thing to do is to sit down on the throne and contemplate your purchase decisions. Always works for me.