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Jan 30, 2014 01:32 |  #31

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35 f2 is or any of the new is's are pretty sharp corner to corner, wait for the 50mm, sigma and canon are coming out with new ones, the sigma is looking to be probably one of the greatest af lenses ever. I dont know alot about the wider lenses than 35.

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Jan 30, 2014 02:23 |  #32

That's right Ed, Your favorite third party company to hate on is dropping a 50mm that will crap on the fanboy beloved canon 50s. Of course there will be plenty of thread time for you to talk about how the AF sucks etc. I am pre ordering so check the sample thread and I will try to post lots of pics to help you find flaws in the lens!:lol:

Back on track, since the 24L was brought up, it is the way to go if you can swing it. The 35 2.0 is not nearly as wide and honestly I am not a huge IS person compared to speed so I hate all this 4 stops crap. It is useful, don't get me wrong, but not even same ballpark as 1.4 regarding lens flexibility. I probably have some dark shots on my computer, but not really flikr, but this is a 60d/24 at 1.4. Someone said distortion, I have yet to see it in this lens(speaking with common sense of the FL). I think it's distortion control is equally as impressive as its other features.

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Here on 60d stopped down to 5.6 to give you a field of view perspective on 60d. I find it to be a great walk around on crop, but it is so awesome on ff that never happens.
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Charlie, as to how to use it, check out my flikr, anything wide and recent is with this. Everything from shots in my kids faces at 1.4, to stopped down landscapes, and a lot of different uses in between. I am 100% all about this lens, I truly feel it is the best thing ever because it can do so much, and does so much so well. Yes it is a waste of money to stop down for landscapes, but not really because it is nasty sharp and you are buying the whole package. If you use it creatively, and shoot landscapes, totally worth it. If only landscapes then get the Zeiss.

It is great because you can take this shot:
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And in the next click take this one:
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Jan 30, 2014 04:07 |  #33

This is a mess :) Look, I used IS when I was shooting with my kit zoom at f5.6. On my 100mm macro, I don't lack IS, it gives me some grate head portraits of singer, and some good total pictures (whole band) from the back of the hall. Sorry for misspelling thread name :P I'm not english native speaker :) Back to the topic, I can't shoot faster then 2.0, because subject moves fast, and if I'm late only for a fraction of a second, it's out of my focus plane. I love 50 1.4 because I can stop it down a lot, and 35 2.0 is not sharp wide open. I haven't talked about my budget. I now have around 500e. I'm used to buying used gear. If I sell all equipment I don't need (SX 1IS, 18 - 135, 17 - 40), I'll end up with something around 1200e. Here, no one is selling 24 L, and ebay is not an option. 50 1.4 is quite cheep around 250e. I could keep my 17 - 40, with addition of 28 1.8 and 50 1.4. When I go full frame, I won't be needing 17 - 40 anymore, and I could consider 24L. Right now, 60D is quite good up to ISO3200, and I have no problem hand holding telephoto primes such as 100mm. I've seen from your pics that 24 isn't that tight even on a crop. Consider that I can always take totals (mentioned earlier) from the crowd, and wideness is not that much of a problem.


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Jan 30, 2014 04:27 |  #34

Where are you located?
You say you can't shoot faster than 2.0 b/c the subject moves?
Wouldn't that mean you need a faster / wider (1.2, 1.4, or 1.8 lens) as opposed to your current 100mm 2.8?
If you are not happy with the 35mm 2.0 the other options would be 24L 35L and 50L, or their non-canon alternatives.
The 24L mk I can be bought used for under $1,000 I assume the 1200e you mention is EUROs that would more than cover it.
We post photos to show you what the 24L can do on a crop camera, my first image was my 6D
but I could have stepped back with a crop to frame that. As well as my street photos were wide open on a T4i 650D


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Jan 30, 2014 04:28 |  #35

I have an EF28 IS USM that I use a lot on my 60D.
The view is just "right" for my needs.
Most days I just take the 60D & the 28 with nowt else.

I used the own the older versions of the EF 24, 28, and 35.
Bought them all on eBay 2nd hand, tried them for a few months. Decided 28mm was "right" for me.
Sold the rest back on eBay (for what I paid for them) and kept the EF28.
When the new IS USM version of the EF28 came out I upgraded to it.

I also have an EF40, but don't use it much as it's a bit tight on the 60D.
To be honest I'll probably end up selling it.

If I want wider than the 28mm it's usually for a landscape type shot.
So, as I'll be stopping down to f/11 anyway, I just use the EFS18-55 "kit" lens... it's perfectly good enough.


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Jan 30, 2014 05:59 |  #36

If you want to shoot only with primes, you will have a better selection of lenses (in terms of AOV) if you were to change to a full frame body. You could get a 35mm IS for shots with little or no subject movement and shoot at very long shutter speeds. And get the 85mm f/1.8 for portraits or tighter shots. With a crop body, you might want to stick to a zoom for wide or standard, or look at third party options like the Sigma 17-50mm f/2.8 OS and 30mm f/1.4.

I love shooting wide for any type of event, assuming that i can get close. Here is a shot that is 24mm@f/1.4 I think:


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Jan 30, 2014 09:32 |  #37

I'm not a huge fan of 3rd party stuff, because there are not officially supported :)


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Jan 30, 2014 10:31 |  #38

Charlie wrote in post #16648857 (external link)
that's because you havent tried the 135L :)

I think it's the focal length combined with fast aperture that really makes the 135L unique. It's a combination of perfect portrait perspective combined with a relatively wide aperture. ZE has better contrast and sharpness, but both are really close optically from what I've seen.

I had a 135L some time ago. Sold it in favor of the 85L and 70-200mk2. Now though my shooting has evolved and I am having lots of fun shooting manual focus. I looked for the best possible lens to support my desired shooting style and new found love of manual focus. Thus.... the Zeiss 135mm.


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Jan 30, 2014 11:00 |  #39

brainiac.mg wrote in post #16649293 (external link)
This is a mess :) Look, I used IS when I was shooting with my kit zoom at f5.6. On my 100mm macro, I don't lack IS, it gives me some grate head portraits of singer, and some good total pictures (whole band) from the back of the hall. Sorry for misspelling thread name :P I'm not english native speaker :) Back to the topic, I can't shoot faster then 2.0, because subject moves fast, and if I'm late only for a fraction of a second, it's out of my focus plane. I love 50 1.4 because I can stop it down a lot, and 35 2.0 is not sharp wide open. I haven't talked about my budget. I now have around 500e. I'm used to buying used gear. If I sell all equipment I don't need (SX 1IS, 18 - 135, 17 - 40), I'll end up with something around 1200e. Here, no one is selling 24 L, and ebay is not an option. 50 1.4 is quite cheep around 250e. I could keep my 17 - 40, with addition of 28 1.8 and 50 1.4. When I go full frame, I won't be needing 17 - 40 anymore, and I could consider 24L. Right now, 60D is quite good up to ISO3200, and I have no problem hand holding telephoto primes such as 100mm. I've seen from your pics that 24 isn't that tight even on a crop. Consider that I can always take totals (mentioned earlier) from the crowd, and wideness is not that much of a problem.

Heya,

The more you're talking about things, the more it sounds like a 24-70 F2.8 VC Tamron would be an excellent choice for you, even though it's not a prime, based on how you described things and shooting from the crowd. I bring this up because if you're concerned with depth of field, want something very sharp, and versatile for crowd based shooting, a 24-70 really does that. With your budget, the Tamron really becomes a target.

Not sure I agree with some of your sentiments; the 35mm F2 IS is very sharp wide open. The 50mm F1.4 is soft wide open. And when things move quickly, yes, they walk out of your depth of field plane at F1.4 easily, but, this is why you have AI servo autofocus. If you're just focusing, recomposing, metering, and shooting on a moving target with one-shot autofocus, you'll miss focus at F1.4 pretty often on moving targets. This is not the aperture's problem, this is your use of it.

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Jan 30, 2014 11:46 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #40

Which lens can track fast moving subject in low light at 1.4? I believe that expensive L's can, but it's way out of my budget. Non of concert photographers do 1.4, all metadata I've seen is between 2.0 and 2.8. My 100mm 2.8 is sometimes just a tad slower then I was searching, but I have just great keeper ratio with that prime. My L is good, and I don't need enormous shutter speeds for an UWA. If I needed a versatile zoom, I would go 24 - 105 IS, as I said, walking around, shooting from the crowd or shooting in front of the stage, it's just no problem.


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Jan 30, 2014 13:34 |  #41

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Which lens can track fast moving subject in low light at 1.4? I believe that expensive L's can, but it's way out of my budget. Non of concert photographers do 1.4, all metadata I've seen is between 2.0 and 2.8. My 100mm 2.8 is sometimes just a tad slower then I was searching, but I have just great keeper ratio with that prime. My L is good, and I don't need enormous shutter speeds for an UWA. If I needed a versatile zoom, I would go 24 - 105 IS, as I said, walking around, shooting from the crowd or shooting in front of the stage, it's just no problem.

Heya,

Tracking will be based on the autofocus ability of the camera (AI servo mode most likely) and the speed of the focus mechanism in the lens. Focus will be faster, the wider the lens is (the autofocus works by using the maximum aperture of the lens). If looking at Canon, make sure it's the good ring USM for autofocus and you're going to be fine. From there, it's more your technique of focusing, using a tracking autofocus like AI servo, and balancing that with your settings (aperture/shutter/ISO)​.

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Jan 30, 2014 15:04 as a reply to  @ MalVeauX's post |  #42

Here are some examples of what I shoot :) First two with L and Macro, other with kit.


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Jan 30, 2014 15:13 as a reply to  @ brainiac.mg's post |  #43

18 - 135


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Jan 30, 2014 16:54 |  #44

Sigma 35 is cheaper than a canon L and would rock shots like that.


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Jan 30, 2014 17:45 |  #45

^ The exif data show 100mm and 18mm respectably, even a 35mm prime would cut the second image more than in half, not giving you enough working distance to the rear wall.


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