V-860 Ving TTL

Scoobert wrote in post #16720766
I was looking at purchasing one V850 and one V860 (instead of the YN 568's) to work together in HSS mode.

Just to confirm, to run these in HSS you have to buy a separate 60 dollar controller in addition to the 60 dollar remote set?

I like the idea of the li-ion battery but it seems moronic to require two controllers to fire a single (or multiple) flash in HSS.

For now, I just use my YN-622c to trigger the TT850 (I added the PC Sync-to-2.5mm plug cable between the YN-622c and the TT850 to trigger the HSS functionality). While I do also have the little FT-16s transmitter/receiver for the TT850 if I wanted remote power control, I don't really use it much as I'm a manual speedlite guy, so I just set my power to taste and then just shoot with them, adjusting as I go along when needed. But if I did want the remote power control, I just keep one of the transmitters in my pocket and use it when needed. No need to also stack that on top of my YN-622c's for convenience's sake.

Patman99 wrote in post #16721736
For now, I just use my YN-622c to trigger the TT850 (I added the PC Sync-to-2.5mm plug cable between the YN-622c and the TT850 to trigger the HSS functionality). While I do also have the little FT-16s transmitter/receiver for the TT850 if I wanted remote power control, I don't really use it much as I'm a manual speedlite guy, so I just set my power to taste and then just shoot with them, adjusting as I go along when needed. But if I did want the remote power control, I just keep one of the transmitters in my pocket and use it when needed. No need to also stack that on top of my YN-622c's for convenience's sake.

This is what I do as well.

This is an interesting thread in that it appears people want companies to find a way to take disparate manual and TTL triggering and control technologies and magically find a way to make a single set of triggering hardware do all the various communications and protocol conversions.

That's a utopia that is unlikely to happen. Its difficult enough for a single company to design and manage a signaling plan that has sufficient growth potential. i.e. Godox when they added H mode and then realized the only way to access FP-Sync was with a different trigger than the one designed for the lights.

Asking Yongnou to find a way to implement x sync triggering ala RF-603 into the Canon 600EX ETTL control system is a stretch. GL has stated that they are exploring the possibility of designing, building and supporting a receiver that will fire non-ETTL devices. That's the best option I've heard going forward.

Having spent several years editing standards documents for a couple of international telecom standards groups taught me that what people want and what one can get engineers to agree with and find a way to implement are often opposite sides of a deep canyon. To say nothing of having to convince a marketing executive that there is even a market sufficient to justify the engineering investment.

Its either Rub Goldberg yourself a solution or wait for GL to deliver, since he seems to be the only design engineer listening.

Come to thing of it, Pocket Wizard attempted to accomplish this with ControlTL. And we know how successful that enterprise has been, based on their growth and hiring.

There is an Ebay Godox listing for the V860 with a delivery of March 18th for $193.... 99.3 positive rating.

Good price.

I just bought one 850 and immediately ordered another they are great have some hopes for this one but dont want to be the ebay Guinna pig

And here is another eBay listing (this time with a linkops from someone I have bought loads of things from (circa 20 parcels without a single problem). A very satisfactory supplier who also tends to carry all the bits 'n bobs which so many don't supply. (Just last week I got a couple of the FT16s receivers for v850/860 from the same place).

Price equates to US$200 for those who can't do the conversion. Slightly longer delivery time - but then it's to UK not USA which might make a difference. For some reason, their own listing suggests a week longer to UK - obviously our postal service walks even more slowly than USPS (is that actually physically possible??).

However, I know that Edward at CheetahStand is working with the engineers at Godox before launching his own CheetahLight v860 - see previous post this thread https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=16709663&po​stcount=32. Given Edward's reputation for customer service, if living in the USA (which I don't), I'd have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever about waiting until he announces availability and then pouncing.

Edit: The link is still live but the price went up by a factor of ten. I guess that means they are out of stock - quelle surprise!!

dmward wrote in post #16722732
This is an interesting thread in that it appears people want companies to find a way to take disparate manual and TTL triggering and control technologies and magically find a way to make a single set of triggering hardware do all the various communications and protocol conversions.

That's a utopia that is unlikely to happen. Its difficult enough for a single company to design and manage a signaling plan that has sufficient growth potential. i.e. Godox when they added H mode and then realized the only way to access FP-Sync was with a different trigger than the one designed for the lights.

Asking Yongnou to find a way to implement x sync triggering ala RF-603 into the Canon 600EX ETTL control system is a stretch. GL has stated that they are exploring the possibility of designing, building and supporting a receiver that will fire non-ETTL devices. That's the best option I've heard going forward.

Having spent several years editing standards documents for a couple of international telecom standards groups taught me that what people want and what one can get engineers to agree with and find a way to implement are often opposite sides of a deep canyon. To say nothing of having to convince a marketing executive that there is even a market sufficient to justify the engineering investment.

Its either Rub Goldberg yourself a solution or wait for GL to deliver, since he seems to be the only design engineer listening.

Come to thing of it, Pocket Wizard attempted to accomplish this with ControlTL. And we know how successful that enterprise has been, based on their growth and hiring.

Many third-party flashes work fine with all TTL features on the hotshoe. The flash can be made remote with full TTL features on a wired hotshoe extension. Are they're any 2.4-GHz radio triggers that behave exactly like a wired hotshoe extension except wireless? If so, off flash - camera compatibility should not be an issue. It's difficult for newbies like me to understand from the published specs what a radio trigger system can and cannot do.

tantra4 wrote in post #16739210
Many third-party flashes work fine with all TTL features on the hotshoe. The flash can be made remote with full TTL features on a wired hotshoe extension. Are they're any 2.4-GHz radio triggers that behave exactly like a wired hotshoe extension except wireless? If so, off flash - camera compatibility should not be an issue. It's difficult for newbies like me to understand from the published specs what a radio trigger system can and cannot do.

There are many companies that have reverse engineered the Canon and/or Nikon TTL firmware and implemented it in their speedlites. Unfortunately not all of them work exactly the way as the manufacturer's equipment. And there may be additional complications when combining two "off brand" versions with the manufacturer's equipment.

What I was speaking to was the way many in this thread are hoping that manufacturer's can magically expand the OEM features and also add features to the system while still maintaining universal capabilities.

dmward wrote in post #16739396
What I was speaking to was the way many in this thread are hoping that manufacturer's can magically expand the OEM features and also add features to the system while still maintaining universal capabilities.

I would be thrilled if the companies would support their own line of flashes.
ie the 622 wont fire the 560iii , but the cheaper 603 rf will. Now the 600rt is coming out to be fired by the yn st-e3 but the 622 wont fire it either.

Dont get me wrong I love my 622c's but there is really no reason to stay with the YN brand if they continue to make flashes that cant be fired by the trigger you own, even though its the same brand.
I thought the Godox/Cheetah would be the answer until seen that their own trigger wont fire a flash in HSS either. 1 of the remedies being to put a YN622 on the camera and bring a sync cord off to fire the Cheetah. At that point whats the sense of staying with the Cheetah brand?

Other then that battery, which I love the idea of

I guess I was hoping for to much that I would be able to streamline everything through 1 flash company as far as triggers and flashes. I could care less how many other brands of flashes it fires with the radio trigger, I just want it to fire the flash from their company .

Well part of the wait is over!

See Elv's report that both the Yn 622Cs & Phottix Odins work with the V860c!
Not exhaustive yet - but so far so good. Interesting times . . .

http://flashhavoc.com …tl-flash-hands-on-review/

OceanRipple wrote in post #16746416
Well part of the wait is over!

See Elv's report that both the Yn 622Cs & Phottix Odins work with the V860c!
Not exhaustive yet - but so far so good. Interesting times . . .

http://flashhavoc.com …tl-flash-hands-on-review/

Why was I not surprised SMH

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Scoobert wrote in post #16741335
I guess I was hoping for to much that I would be able to streamline everything through 1 flash company as far as triggers and flashes.

Godox are working on a integrated system, as you can bet most companies are at the moment.

Though at least Godox had the foresight to make the the radio gear plug in, so they can at least update them fairly easily once they get up to speed with the radio side of things.


We've spoken about YongNuo's multiple systems, and the lack of compatibility between them numerous times.

But keep in mind, not so long ago (before the current engineer came on board) YongNuo's products were completely hit and miss. They have come along leaps and bounds compared to where they were just a couple of years ago.

Now they are talking of integrated studio light solution for the RT system. Something we would never even see from Canon.

So things are moving forward, but YongNuo would have to make a choice of whether to keep supporting multiple popular systems or not, either way the decision will not be popular with some people.
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Found out that there is a very high probability the v860 will be compatible with the Cactus V6 for remote power control if any one is interested in tiring theses in with your existing flashes. This means you will also have a hotshot on the trigger for ttl passthrough also.. https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1364753

elv wrote in post #16746896
Godox are working on a integrated system, as you can bet most companies are at the moment.

Though at least Godox had the foresight to make the the radio gear plug in, so they can at least update them fairly easily once they get up to speed with the radio side of things.


We've spoken about YongNuo's multiple systems, and the lack of compatibility between them numerous times.

But keep in mind, not so long ago (before the current engineer came on board) YongNuo's products were completely hit and miss. They have come along leaps and bounds compared to where they were just a couple of years ago.

Now they are talking of integrated studio light solution for the RT system. Something we would never even see from Canon.

So things are moving forward, but YongNuo would have to make a choice of whether to keep supporting multiple popular systems or not, either way the decision will not be popular with some people.
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Thanks Elv

So what would be the best option if you want to run an V850 and an V860 in HSS off camera MANUAL mode? Could I do that with just the godox flashes and some 622c's under them and using the little ft-16 to adjust power?

elv wrote in post #16746896
Godox are working on a integrated system, as you can bet most companies are at the moment.

Though at least Godox had the foresight to make the the radio gear plug in, so they can at least update them fairly easily once they get up to speed with the radio side of things.


We've spoken about YongNuo's multiple systems, and the lack of compatibility between them numerous times.

But keep in mind, not so long ago (before the current engineer came on board) YongNuo's products were completely hit and miss. They have come along leaps and bounds compared to where they were just a couple of years ago.

Now they are talking of integrated studio light solution for the RT system. Something we would never even see from Canon.

So things are moving forward, but YongNuo would have to make a choice of whether to keep supporting multiple popular systems or not, either way the decision will not be popular with some people.
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Elvis,

Thank you so much for spending your time to test the V860c BETA.We try very hard to solve the issue you mension on the beta test.I respect you and thank you for your hard work to benefit the photographers.....Chee​tah V860c?......stay tune..........

CheetahStand wrote in post #16752724
Elvis,

Thank you so much for spending your time to test the V860c BETA.We try very hard to solve the issue you mension on the beta test.I respect you and thank you for your hard work to benefit the photographers.....Chee​tah V860c?......stay tune..........

Any timeline for introducing Cheetah V869c, Ed?