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May 22, 2013 11:16 |  #1876

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Hey Kevin,
Do you ever see any freight trains with containers on the trains? Just wondering as we here in the States get a great number of that type and they are always in photos, but I haven't seen many form over there so just curious.

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May 22, 2013 16:35 |  #1877

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Hi there, Yes we do.

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Okay, now I'll give you a little story to go with my little request.

The railroad I worked on was/is the BNSF and it is through different co-operative shared rail agreements a full transcontinental railroad. A good deal of the rail traffic that BNSF hauls is exactly what you showed me, containers. They (BNSF) operate a tremendous amount of container trains, usually double stacked and very long. Say a train of 7 to 8,000 tons and at least 8,000 feet long.

When the economy took a dump here the railroad hardly slowed at all. The trains kept running at a fast pace. Most people thought that the railroad (at least the BNSF) was doing extremely well from a business point of view, and they were right.

People also thought that our own economy must be doing much better than they thought because of all that freight that was in those containers and constantly on the move on those BNSF trains. Day and night, every day, all day, week in and week out!

What most didn't realize then and still to this day do not realize is that the BNSF was hauling a lot of loaded containers, that is true. But very very few of those loaded containers were destined for delivery here in the good old USA.

Container ships and their owners found that they could save two or three weeks of transit time and hundreds of thousands of dollars (pounds?) by parking their ships in the American ports of Seattle, San Francisco, Long Beach, etc.., etc., and offloading the containers onto trains that could traverse the continent in 4 days and transload those same containers onto a sister ship waiting in New York, Miami, etc., etc..

The container ships didn't need to travel down to panama, sit weeks waiting their turn to pass through and then make the long sail over to England, France or any other European country when the trip was a simple back and forth transit port to port.

Worked (and still is working as far as I know!) well for all involved.

That's why I asked. Just curious as to whether the containers got transported across country on trains or were loaded onto trailers for trucking. I know I took a fair number of them from point A to point B myself and was just wondering where they might have gone!

Thanks a ton for the photos! I love them!!

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May 23, 2013 00:34 |  #1878

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Okay, now I'll give you a little story to go with my little request.

The railroad I worked on was/is the BNSF and it is through different co-operative shared rail agreements a full transcontinental railroad. A good deal of the rail traffic that BNSF hauls is exactly what you showed me, containers. They (BNSF) operate a tremendous amount of container trains, usually double stacked and very long. Say a train of 7 to 8,000 tons and at least 8,000 feet long.

When the economy took a dump here the railroad hardly slowed at all. The trains kept running at a fast pace. Most people thought that the railroad (at least the BNSF) was doing extremely well from a business point of view, and they were right.

People also thought that our own economy must be doing much better than they thought because of all that freight that was in those containers and constantly on the move on those BNSF trains. Day and night, every day, all day, week in and week out!

What most didn't realize then and still to this day do not realize is that the BNSF was hauling a lot of loaded containers, that is true. But very very few of those loaded containers were destined for delivery here in the good old USA.

Container ships and their owners found that they could save two or three weeks of transit time and hundreds of thousands of dollars (pounds?) by parking their ships in the American ports of Seattle, San Francisco, Long Beach, etc.., etc., and offloading the containers onto trains that could traverse the continent in 4 days and transload those same containers onto a sister ship waiting in New York, Miami, etc., etc..

The container ships didn't need to travel down to panama, sit weeks waiting their turn to pass through and then make the long sail over to England, France or any other European country when the trip was a simple back and forth transit port to port.

Worked (and still is working as far as I know!) well for all involved.

That's why I asked. Just curious as to whether the containers got transported across country on trains or were loaded onto trailers for trucking. I know I took a fair number of them from point A to point B myself and was just wondering where they might have gone!

Thanks a ton for the photos! I love them!!

Hillbille

That is VERY interesting! Here in Elkhart we have a railroad yard that when it was built back in the 50's was the largest in the world. Well it no longer has that title, but we still do get a lot of trains (around 100+ I believe) going thru here every single day many with containers like you mentioned.

It is Norfolk Southern that goes thru here now. I don't like their engines, dirty and black. No color to them at all.

Thank you for the update and story!


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May 24, 2013 03:25 |  #1879

Hillbille wrote in post #15957732 (external link)
When the economy took a dump here the railroad hardly slowed at all. The trains kept running at a fast pace. Most people thought that the railroad (at least the BNSF) was doing extremely well from a business point of view, and they were right.

The container ships didn't need to travel down to panama, sit weeks waiting their turn to pass through and then make the long sail over to England, France or any other European country when the trip was a simple back and forth transit port to port.

I heard that trains on the Southern Transcon did go down from over 100 a day to 70 or so, which is a difference, but not enormous. I think the average right now in Arizona is one train every 15-20 minutes.

The Panamanian government used that as an argument to widen the canal (it was approved through a referendum). They said that if they didn't widen it then companies would start using the US's rail network (and they also cited a highway around the Tehuantepec Isthmus in Mexico as an alternative -a highway that has been a project for 40 years or so). I still can't imagine having to carry 13,000 TEUs (20' cans) across the US, as it would take 3250 cars, double stacked, and the containers having to clear customs (unless CBP somehow allows them to not do it). 13,000 is the approximate capacity of the New Panamax standard.

I read that BNSF had been planning to build a new intermodal facility in Flagstaff (can't remember if that was in 2007 or 2010), in addition to the one they have in Glendale. So it seems that they had (or still have) enough traffic in Northern AZ to make the investment worth it. The Peavine (Phoenix Sub) sees a good 10-12 trains per day, mostly intermodals and all travel between Phoenix and points that are East of Williams (traffic to/from California goes via the Arizona & California RR, since the West Williams Jct switch to get on/off the Transcon only faces 1 direction). But as of right now it seems like the project was either cancelled or put on hold.


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May 24, 2013 03:30 |  #1880

Hillbille wrote in post #15957732 (external link)
Okay, now I'll give you a little story to go with my little request.

The railroad I worked on was/is the BNSF and it is through different co-operative shared rail agreements a full transcontinental railroad. A good deal of the rail traffic that BNSF hauls is exactly what you showed me, containers. They (BNSF) operate a tremendous amount of container trains, usually double stacked and very long. Say a train of 7 to 8,000 tons and at least 8,000 feet long.

When the economy took a dump here the railroad hardly slowed at all. The trains kept running at a fast pace. Most people thought that the railroad (at least the BNSF) was doing extremely well from a business point of view, and they were right.

People also thought that our own economy must be doing much better than they thought because of all that freight that was in those containers and constantly on the move on those BNSF trains. Day and night, every day, all day, week in and week out!

What most didn't realize then and still to this day do not realize is that the BNSF was hauling a lot of loaded containers, that is true. But very very few of those loaded containers were destined for delivery here in the good old USA.

Container ships and their owners found that they could save two or three weeks of transit time and hundreds of thousands of dollars (pounds?) by parking their ships in the American ports of Seattle, San Francisco, Long Beach, etc.., etc., and offloading the containers onto trains that could traverse the continent in 4 days and transload those same containers onto a sister ship waiting in New York, Miami, etc., etc..

The container ships didn't need to travel down to panama, sit weeks waiting their turn to pass through and then make the long sail over to England, France or any other European country when the trip was a simple back and forth transit port to port.

Worked (and still is working as far as I know!) well for all involved.

That's why I asked. Just curious as to whether the containers got transported across country on trains or were loaded onto trailers for trucking. I know I took a fair number of them from point A to point B myself and was just wondering where they might have gone!

Thanks a ton for the photos! I love them!!

Hillbille

Container ships arrive at a number of ports in the UK, Southampton, Tilbury, Immingham to name a few, there are regular container trains that travel from the UK to Europe via the Channel Tunnel. Similar reasons as you said Hillbillie about the USA contains landed in the UK may well end up anywhere in Europe by train


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May 26, 2013 01:57 as a reply to  @ Frosticles's post |  #1881

Gloucester Warwickshire Railway at their Cotswold Steam Celebration, these are from Friday typical railway weather .... cloudy and raining

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Didcot Railway Centre, "Shed Bash - Diesel Gala"

Look what happens while Thomas and his friends are asleep

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May 26, 2013 15:29 as a reply to  @ Richard1959's post |  #1885

Excellent shots all Richard!

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May 27, 2013 11:02 as a reply to  @ Hillbille's post |  #1886

Like those. :)


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May 27, 2013 22:25 |  #1887

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Didcot Railway Centre, "Shed Bash - Diesel Gala"

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May 27, 2013 23:14 |  #1888

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Yes after the "takeover/merger" most all of the newer locomotives were rebranded. The real change though is not just the little logo'ing change but the color change from fire engine red to burnt orange. The fact that ATSF had over 200 brand new locomotives on hand AND another 400 scheduled for delivery made the railroad even more of a prime nugget for a corporate takeover!

The paint scheme change caught the EMD factory by surprise and they just allowed a few to escape without a final coat of paint simply because they were not ready for the color change and hence the solid primered versions got out.

Hillbille

ATSF didn't have 400 locomotives on order at the time of the merger. They had the remainder of the SD75M/SD75I order for 51 units. These units were delivered in the red and silver super fleet colors but with BNSF lettering.
The pair of BNSF 700 series units you posted were GE C44-9W's. These units were delivered in primer not because of a paint change that the factory was not ready for but due to the fact that BNSF was power short and GE's paint department could not keep up with the accelerated delivery. A small group of these 700 series units were placed in service in primer and later routed to contract shops for painting in the red and sliver super fleet colors. 3 units, BNSF #739, 740 and 745 were painted in what would become the Heritage 2 paint scheme, the first such units painted.
At the time the 700 series C44-9W's were ordered and delivered BNSF had decided that they were large enough for 2 paint schemes. The Southern Lines would use the red and silver super fleet colors while the northern lines would use the orange and green Heritage 1 paint scheme, applied to BNSF GE C44-9W's #960-1123 which were the first new locomotives to be ordered by BNSF. Ultimately it was decided that there would be only 1 paint scheme nd the super fleet was discontinued, with Heritage 1 becoming the official image. Of course this changed with the adoption of the Heritage 2 paint scheme on widenose units and Heritage 1 on standard cabs and then again when the "swoosh" logo was introduced and black substituted for green.

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May 28, 2013 01:00 |  #1889

Richard, enjoying your pictures from "over there", interesting to see the different looking locomotives, than what we have here in the U.S.




  
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May 28, 2013 01:59 |  #1890

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ATSF didn't have 400 locomotives on order at the time of the merger. They had the remainder of the SD75M/SD75I order for 51 units. These units were delivered in the red and silver super fleet colors but with BNSF lettering.
The pair of BNSF 700 series units you posted were GE C44-9W's. These units were delivered in primer not because of a paint change that the factory was not ready for but due to the fact that BNSF was power short and GE's paint department could not keep up with the accelerated delivery. A small group of these 700 series units were placed in service in primer and later routed to contract shops for painting in the red and sliver super fleet colors. 3 units, BNSF #739, 740 and 745 were painted in what would become the Heritage 2 paint scheme, the first such units painted.
At the time the 700 series C44-9W's were ordered and delivered BNSF had decided that they were large enough for 2 paint schemes. The Southern Lines would use the red and silver super fleet colors while the northern lines would use the orange and green Heritage 1 paint scheme, applied to BNSF GE C44-9W's #960-1123 which were the first new locomotives to be ordered by BNSF. Ultimately it was decided that there would be only 1 paint scheme nd the super fleet was discontinued, with Heritage 1 becoming the official image. Of course this changed with the adoption of the Heritage 2 paint scheme on widenose units and Heritage 1 on standard cabs and then again when the "swoosh" logo was introduced and black substituted for green.

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Just goes to show, I was just a working stiff and those were the stories we were told from the rumor mill out here. I've heard three separate versions of the "Heritage" paint scheme if I now include the one you just added. Since I had nothing to do with painting them - and I can say with absolute certainty that BNSF never consulted me about any of their paint schemes - I am going with your much better and detail rich explanation over my remembrance of the rumors I heard over 20 years ago!

It's always good to know the real deal!! LOL! In all honesty we kept looking for a green and white one to come along, but it never happened. I always wondered why.

Where did the 666 go? LOL!!

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