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Feb 23, 2014 08:49 |  #16

I was in the same boat as you a few months ago. Went from a cheap point/shoot to the 60D. The biggest thing that helped me was YouTube.There are all kinds of tutorials on the 60D itself as well as photography in general. Here are a few pointers:

I would start off in M(manual) mode. Just setup a few objects around the house or walk around the yard and take the same shots using different settings(ISO, Shutter Speed, Aperture) so you can see what each one does and how they work together.

Don't bother with getting another lens for a while unless you have a very specific need right away.

Get a flash.I went with a cheaper YongNuo. It has made a world of difference.

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Feb 23, 2014 10:46 |  #17

williamea wrote in post #16710584 (external link)
I would start off in M(manual) mode.

Actually I would not recommend you start in Manual mode, unless that was your "style" with the Rebel XTi. Certainly you should make yourself familiar with the Manual mode but IMO the use of Tv (shutter priority) and Av (aperture priority) are more likely to fit the style of an advanced amateur. The 60D does a really decent job in those modes which likely will fulfill your needs. Tv allows you to fix the shutter speed to something that might be needed based on the movement of the subject and Av allows you to fix aperture for subjects where depth of field might be the primary consideration.




  
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Feb 23, 2014 11:19 |  #18

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Actually I would not recommend you start in Manual mode, unless that was your "style" with the Rebel XTi. Certainly you should make yourself familiar with the Manual mode but IMO the use of Tv (shutter priority) and Av (aperture priority) are more likely to fit the style of an advanced amateur. The 60D does a really decent job in those modes which likely will fulfill your needs. Tv allows you to fix the shutter speed to something that might be needed based on the movement of the subject and Av allows you to fix aperture for subjects where depth of field might be the primary consideration.

The reason I suggest starting right out in manual is to get used to the new dial - get familiar with the control changes. Otherwise, why get the 60D? The T5i would do just as well. I wish that I'd started right out that way when I moved from my T1i. Now I shoot almost exclusively in manual and it's become natural. However, I went for a year using it as if it was just another Rebel. It's not that it can't do a fine job that way, it's just not using the camera's features as they are really intended to be used.


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Feb 23, 2014 14:41 |  #19

Preeb wrote in post #16710862 (external link)
The reason I suggest starting right out in manual is to get used to the new dial - get familiar with the control changes. Otherwise, why get the 60D? The T5i would do just as well.

I fail to understand that logic. If we compare the Creative Zone of the two cameras, the 60D has the addition of "B" for bulb over the T5i. So what difference are you referring to?

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I wish that I'd started right out that way when I moved from my T1i. Now I shoot almost exclusively in manual and it's become natural. However, I went for a year using it as if it was just another Rebel. It's not that it can't do a fine job that way, it's just not using the camera's features as they are really intended to be used.

Again, I fail to see the logic here. What does "just another Rebel" mean? Was that use of the preprogrammed modes? You can be just as creative with the later Rebels as with the 60D.




  
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Feb 23, 2014 15:42 |  #20

John from PA wrote in post #16711318 (external link)
I fail to understand that logic. If we compare the Creative Zone of the two cameras, the 60D has the addition of "B" for bulb over the T5i. So what difference are you referring to?


Again, I fail to see the logic here. What does "just another Rebel" mean? Was that use of the preprogrammed modes? You can be just as creative with the later Rebels as with the 60D.

I really haven't a clue what your argument is here. All I'm suggesting is that a new user should familiarize himself with the features of his tool. The biggest reason I can think of for moving from a Rebel to the 60D is the back dial and the top LCD and buttons. Of course there are more reasons than that, but the quick and easy way to get familiar with the controls is to simply use them. Manual shooting with the Rebel series is a bit of a pain because you only have the one dial for adjustment and ISO changes have to be done in the back LCD. With the 60D you can change aperture and shutter speed with the dials, and change ISO on the fly with the top buttons without ever taking your eye away from the viewfinder. Most users, once they become comfortable with the controls, find that manual exposure is easier and more trustworthy than any of the auto or program modes.

The only reason I can'think of for not preferring manual is if you always shoot the same subjects in the same light (or don't have time to change as you shoot, but that restriction goes away as you learn to use the controls). Like most hobbyists, I shoot all sorts of things under all sorts of conditions. I regularly change all three exposure parameters, and for that, manual is the only thing that makes sense.


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Feb 23, 2014 16:09 as a reply to  @ Preeb's post |  #21

This post is filled with nothing but the best of information on this camera, I can't thank you enough for helping me out in getting going on this 60d. I've read each and every post, taken it all in and it's been so very helpful. I now have each link opened as well as the manual down loaded to my computer and am going through all that. I can say now I know why I was feeling a bit nervous because this camera runs quite differently then to what I'm used to.

Ooooh, I do shot in manual now on my rebel. Not always, but I know how to do it compared to when I first got my rebel I had not a clue. As for my lenses I own now, I have the 50 prime, 85 prime, 70-300 IS and the 430exII flash. I bet I've used the 70-300 probally a month, it sits in closet. It's sharp though, I think it's the range I don't use much.

The new 60d coming is a refurbished one from canon. I saved a bit just by going this route. I think I need a nice walk around lens, I use my 50 now for it but I'm thinking maybe a zoom.




  
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Feb 23, 2014 17:59 |  #22

blackgold59 wrote in post #16709141 (external link)
Hopefully I made a good decision but from all I've read I should be pretty happy. I am a bit nervous coming from the Rebel XTi, I'm guessing I will be a bit lost on it at first.

Are there any settings I need too set in once I get it, seems to me somewhere? Does it have a tendency to over expose or under?

Anyway, thanks so much for all your help! Should be here Tuesday.

Next to come will be another lens, then hopefully by summer the 6d...my dream camera

From having actually used a Canon 60D, it's a pleasantly useful camera that easily generated these images and many others.

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You have absolutely nothing to fear from a Canon 60D. The camera contains no mysterious hidden deficiencies. The "settings" the camera needs are the ones you have learned through your experience as a photographer.

A Canon 60D will not impose any limits on your photography that are not already present from your experience or abilities. Relax.



  
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Feb 24, 2014 05:19 |  #23

blackgold59 wrote in post #16709141 (external link)
Hopefully I made a good decision but from all I've read I should be pretty happy. I am a bit nervous coming from the Rebel XTi, I'm guessing I will be a bit lost on it at first.

Are there any settings I need too set in once I get it, seems to me somewhere? Does it have a tendency to over expose or under?

Anyway, thanks so much for all your help! Should be here Tuesday.

Next to come will be another lens, then hopefully by summer the 6d...my dream camera

you will get used to the controls and expanded features, the 60D is a good upgrade from the XTI


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Feb 24, 2014 07:29 |  #24

Here are some tips I extracted from one of the Magic Lantern Guides (Canon EOS 60D by Michael Guncheon).

1. Set Auto Power Off for a reasonable amount of time. The default is 30 seconds which for the average user is too short; you spend a lot of time waiting for the camera to wake up at that setting. I use four minutes and battery life doesn't suffer appreciably, although I do have a spare battery, something you might want to consider.

2. Adjust the eyepiece, specificaly the diopter adjustment. This is important if you wear glasses, especially bifocals or some othe form of reading glasses.

3. Choose your file size. Consider shooting RAW because you can do so much more in post processing and you can always generate a JPG. Some people shoot both RAW and JPG. I shoot large RAW and the smallest JPG because I can generate large JPG (for printing, competitions, etc.) after doing my post processing. The downside is RAW images can be large, 18 to 20 Mbytes each but a 16 gig card will hold over 500 images as I recall.

4. Set the preferred shooting mode. These are the settings like Tv, Av or M. These settings also allow you to then set the Picture Style which you should investigate. I keep going back to RAW and here again you can change the picture style after taking an image if you use RAW.

5. Review the focusing mode to see if it suits your style. Do a lot of sports? You might find AI Servo to be best for you.

6. Pick a drive mode; i. e., single, high speed continuous, low-speed continuous, self-timer.

7. Review the metering mode, i. e., evaluative, partial, spot, or center weighted. Evaluative is a good general purpose point as long as you understand when to change to one of the others. A picture of something backlit for instance might best be done with spot metering. After using the camera a bit you might want to investigate dailing in some exposure compensation (EC). Many of us find in general that Canon cameras need about +2/3 stop of EC.

8. Review white balance and what it means. Automatic (AWB) does a decent job but for special circumstances you may wish to change it. One of the advantages of RAW is this can be changed later should you not get it correct the first time.

9. Review ISO settings and how to change them. I do landscape work, and generally 200 or 400 works well since I'm often outdoors in bright sun or close to bright sun. But if you are doing interior pictures of children you might want to run that up to 1600 or even 3200 and take advantage of available light. The 60D can deliver decent images up to 3200 but above that almost certainly some noise reduction techniques will need to be applied in post processing. Easy to do with the Canon supplied software, especially if you shoot RAW. Picking an ISO should be done with consideration of other factors, like depth of field. For that child lit by candlelight (indoors) you might want to shoot with an ISO of 100 so the lens is wide often. This will put the main subject in focus and throw the background out of focus so it doesn't distract from the main subject.

10. Adjust the review time. After you take a picture the image will appear on the LCD screen, but the default is only 2 seconds. You might wish to bump this up, I use 8-seconds. Consider as well what you display. Personally I display the image plus the RGB histogram. The histogram tells you a lot of information about the exposure. I figure that is the key to a good image. I can tweak composition and other variables later in post processing.

11. There is a "Release Shutter without card setting", discussed at the bottom of page 32 of the manual. By default the camera will allow you to take a picture without a memory card being installed. This is an in-store mode for demonstrations. I would disable this setting so that you inadvertently don't take that absolutely great picture and find you lost it because a card wasn't installed.




  
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Feb 24, 2014 08:53 |  #25

Another suggestion, if you're not already accustomed to the 'Q' menu (quick menu), on the XTi (not sure it has one, I know my XSi did and rarely used it) - this really helps get you to your most commonly used adjustments instead of digging through the far deeper menus than the Rebel series. John from PA above covers most of the more detailed adjustments that I too agree with.


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Feb 27, 2014 12:42 as a reply to  @ cuda2k's post |  #26

Well, it came yesterday afternoon. Had to let it warm up and charge up the battery so as I could get it going a little bit last night.

I can say I am really liking this camera so far, when I first took it out of the box I was thinking it's a bit larger then my old slr, but you know for being a bit larger it actually feels better I my hands...strange.

I got the hang of most of it last night on running it, it is definitely different then my old one as far as running goes, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. As for quick dial, not really got that under control yet...using the top dial now for most things. But I will get it when I have a good day to just play with it.

Anyway, lovin' this 60D and no regrets. I'm just so glad I followed the advice here as far as the upgrade, you all were dead on for me!




  
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Feb 27, 2014 13:56 |  #27

Great to hear you're happy with it!

Now, head on over here and tell kezug how much better the controls are over your Rebel. :p


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Feb 27, 2014 14:25 |  #28

mpbowyer wrote in post #16710497 (external link)
Go to your local bookseller and hit up the photography section. There will be 2-3 books just on the 60D. Open them up and decide for yourself which one you want.

I found this to be quite good and compact compared to many.

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