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Wildlife lens. 400mm or 50-500mm ?

 
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Feb 24, 2014 13:56 |  #16

I picked up a 400L 5.6 last year and I've been enjoying it a lot. Its very light which makes it nice for casual photography or travel. The Tamron 150-600 looks really nice but its going to be a lot heavier and probably not as quick on the autofocus but from what I have seen so far it looks like a good lens for the price.

I use the 400 on a 60D most of the time and its a nice lightweight combo.


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Feb 24, 2014 15:37 |  #17

Thanks for that. The downside of the tamron lens is it's weight.
That's one of the deciding factors that's made me decide to go with a lighter, faster lens.




  
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Feb 24, 2014 17:11 |  #18

A few samples of my own...

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Animals/In-the-Wild-Yonder/i-TS9zf8f/0/XL/7D1_7085-XL.jpg
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Animals/In-the-Wild-Yonder/i-6mhWv7q/0/X2/7D1_7013-X2.jpg
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Animals/In-the-Wild-Yonder/i-Fgs43Kh/0/X2/IMG_4368-X2.jpg

Partial crop of an overall image, wide open, stepping down 1/3 to 2/3 stop helps though, just to give a view to a different lens.


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Feb 24, 2014 17:57 |  #19

Heya,

Why is everyone so hard pressed to talk about weight, as an issue, on a 600mm lens?

Canon's 600mm = 8.6 lbs
Tamron's 600mm = 4.3 lbs
Canon's 70-200 F2.8 IS MKII = 3.2 lbs
Canon's 400mm F5.6L prime = 2.7 lbs

The 600mm is just a pound heavier than the 70-200 MKII. And under 2 pounds heavier than the 400mm prime. And we're worried about weight, but we're talking about 200mm EXTRA to the telephoto?

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Feb 24, 2014 17:59 |  #20

Once I put a wrist strap, like the E1/E2, weight is much less an issue. I was able to hold the 7D and 50-500 for several hours during an air show.


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Feb 24, 2014 20:09 |  #21

Another past pic, 100% crop then full shot (7D, wide open, Sigma 50-500 OS)

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Feb 24, 2014 23:01 |  #22

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #16713850 (external link)
For birds in flight, it just doesn't get better than the 400mm prime.
Even if you make your way up to the 500mm f/4L prime, there's still a place for the 400mm, as it's tops for fast flying.

I agree totally... The auto-focus speed and accuracy of the 400mm f/5.6L lens is phenomenal.

The lack of IS is mitigated by the fact that this lens is sharp wide open. I often shoot at f/5.6 to keep a high shutter speed without needing a higher ISO...

It is also relatively light in weight.

Combine the 400L with my fabricated shoulder pod and you will have an absolutely superb combination.

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Feb 24, 2014 23:35 |  #23

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Its kinda unfair to compare a prime lens to a zoom lens. The prime will always be faster and sharper at equal focal length. The Tamron advantage is obviously 600mm.

It's not about fair, it's about what's the best choice for OP. Zooms certainly have there place, but if you're going to be at the long end all the time, a prime comes to mind.


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Feb 25, 2014 00:08 |  #24

jefzor wrote in post #16715283 (external link)
It's not about fair, it's about what's the best choice for OP. Zooms certainly have there place, but if you're going to be at the long end all the time, a prime comes to mind.

Don't get me wrong. I love prime lens but I can't afford the 600mm F4


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Feb 25, 2014 09:13 |  #25

MalVeauX wrote in post #16714545 (external link)
Heya,

Why is everyone so hard pressed to talk about weight, as an issue, on a 600mm lens?

Canon's 600mm = 8.6 lbs
Tamron's 600mm = 4.3 lbs
Canon's 70-200 F2.8 IS MKII = 3.2 lbs
Canon's 400mm F5.6L prime = 2.7 lbs

The 600mm is just a pound heavier than the 70-200 MKII. And under 2 pounds heavier than the 400mm prime. And we're worried about weight, but we're talking about 200mm EXTRA to the telephoto?

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Extreme example but hey. Take a 2 pounds weight and hold it with your arms outstreached to the side. How long can you hold it steady without shaking? I mean hey its only 2 pounds :).


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Feb 25, 2014 09:40 |  #26

Philihase wrote in post #16716019 (external link)
Extreme example but hey. Take a 2 pounds weight and hold it with your arms outstreached to the side. How long can you hold it steady without shaking? I mean hey its only 2 pounds :).

I shoot the 50-500 resting my elbows against my body, at least one of them, not stretched out in front of me. Both arms always have a V in them anyways. IS/OS takes care of the rest...


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Feb 25, 2014 09:49 |  #27

The Canon prime will give you the best IQ.




  
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Feb 25, 2014 09:51 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #28

It was just an example of how weight can be relative not technique.

I´m currently trying to work out at the minute which lens to buy and after seeing the Tamron in a shop yesterday it kind of looked too large (in dimensions not weight)for my ,hike a fair distance, jump through bushes, crawl about type of photography even though I would love the 600mm length.


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Feb 25, 2014 10:08 |  #29

Philihase wrote in post #16716143 (external link)
It was just an example of how weight can be relative not technique.

I´m currently trying to work out at the minute which lens to buy and after seeing the Tamron in a shop yesterday it kind of looked too large (in dimensions not weight)for my ,hike a fair distance, jump through bushes, crawl about type of photography even though I would love the 600mm length.

Wouldn't the lens be in a backpack while moving around, and then periodically you would pull out the combo to shoot? Or a hip bag at least, like the Kata H-series?


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Feb 25, 2014 10:27 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #30

Not really. I started photography a few months back after I started hiking to get at least some exercise :). So I hike round the local countyside here in Germany and try and get photos of the birds around here. I keep off the beaten tracks and the camera is allways at the ready, as there a lot of hedgerows and small woods where you never know what is going to be around the next corner. So the camera is generally held or hanging from a Sun Sniper strap (think Black Rapid I think they are like).


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