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Megapixel123
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Feb 24, 2014 23:11 |  #1

Alright, so I bought the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 HSM EX DC Lens from 42photo.com
The guy calls me today to "verify my order" which is fine, he then sells me this whole schpeal about needing these special filters. The filter he links me to are $350 for a set of three.... Obviously I'm not dumb enough to spend $350 on three filters, but is there a need for a special grade filter? Or will just a regular UV 82mm work fine.

These are the filters he linked me to: http://www.amazon.com …r=8-1&keywords=b004nm3vo8 (external link)


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Feb 24, 2014 23:14 |  #2

Heya,

You don't need filters, at all.

UV is pointless, you have a digital camera.
FD is completely pointless, shoot in RAW or just do appropriate white balance.
Polarizing is useful, but only if you know how to use and when appropriate to use it.

For $350, I'd expect a nice set of neutral density plate filters for really fun long exposure with an ultra-wide angle lens. Not just .... fluff.

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Feb 24, 2014 23:18 |  #3

MalVeauX wrote in post #16715251 (external link)
Heya,

You don't need filters, at all.

UV is pointless, you have a digital camera.
FD is completely pointless, shoot in RAW or just do appropriate white balance.
Polarizing is useful, but only if you know how to use and when appropriate to use it.

For $350, I'd expect a nice set of neutral density plate filters for really fun long exposure with an ultra-wide angle lens. Not just .... fluff.

Very best,

I understand completely, I'm thinking more for protection, not really functionality. But I don't want to sacrifice image quality.


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Feb 24, 2014 23:22 |  #4

Megapixel123 wrote in post #16715261 (external link)
I understand completely, I'm thinking more for protection, not really functionality. But I don't want to sacrifice image quality.

Cheap filters wreck image quality.

Use a lens hood for protection.

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Feb 25, 2014 05:54 |  #5

MalVeauX wrote in post #16715267 (external link)
Cheap filters wreck image quality.

And those filters he recommends certainly look cheap - despite the price.

The next stage in the process, once you decide not to buy the filters, is that the lens will be out of stock. And it will stay out of stock until you decide to buy the filters.


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Feb 25, 2014 06:08 |  #6

Megapixel123 wrote in post #16715261 (external link)
I understand completely, I'm thinking more for protection, not really functionality. But I don't want to sacrifice image quality.

Protection from what? I can understand if you are shooting a rally event that it may be nice. But after using many lenses in many situations I do not understand why people think they need protection.


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Feb 25, 2014 06:11 |  #7

oxygen45 wrote in post #16715671 (external link)
Protection from what? I can understand if you are shooting a rally event that it may be nice. But after using many lenses in many situations I do not understand why people think they need protection.

Because internets.

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Feb 25, 2014 07:29 |  #8

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Protection from what? I can understand if you are shooting a rally event that it may be nice. But after using many lenses in many situations I do not understand why people think they need protection.

Water, dirt, grit, sand, fingers, saliva, mucus, cake, whatever.

Seawater is bad for coatings, and water in general shouldn't be allowed to go inside lenses (filters make certain lenses more weather sealed). Dirt, grit and sand can scratch your lens when cleaning it or when storing it without a lens cap (which I do very frequently). Fingers leave fingerprints or jam or other substances on the lens, which then requires cleaning. Instead of cleaning I can simply unscrew the filter and clean it later after I finish shooting. Or I can just use my shirt without worrying about microfibre cloths.

But this isn't a filter vs no filter thread. Stop trying to turn it into one (not you specifically, just people in general).

Megapixel, you don't need those filters. They are cheap useless crud. If you want a filter to protect your front element, get a high quality Hoya or B+W multicoated filter. But don't get it from that shop. Get it from amazon or B&H/Adorama. In fact, if the person at the store called me and tried to sell me filters like that, I would be tempted to ask him to cancel my order and get a refund, then spend my money elsewhere.


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Feb 25, 2014 08:28 |  #9

If I were you, I'd start looking for another place to buy camera equipment. This guy is obviously a commission salesman who is trying to up-sell you. I'm glad you didn't fall for it.


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Feb 25, 2014 12:43 |  #10

Sirrith wrote in post #16715795 (external link)
Water, dirt, grit, sand, fingers, saliva, mucus, cake, whatever.

Seawater is bad for coatings, and water in general shouldn't be allowed to go inside lenses (filters make certain lenses more weather sealed). Dirt, grit and sand can scratch your lens when cleaning it or when storing it without a lens cap (which I do very frequently). Fingers leave fingerprints or jam or other substances on the lens, which then requires cleaning. Instead of cleaning I can simply unscrew the filter and clean it later after I finish shooting. Or I can just use my shirt without worrying about microfibre cloths.

But this isn't a filter vs no filter thread. Stop trying to turn it into one (not you specifically, just people in general).

Megapixel, you don't need those filters. They are cheap useless crud. If you want a filter to protect your front element, get a high quality Hoya or B+W multicoated filter. But don't get it from that shop. Get it from amazon or B&H/Adorama. In fact, if the person at the store called me and tried to sell me filters like that, I would be tempted to ask him to cancel my order and get a refund, then spend my money elsewhere.

Thank you for the in-depth response. I was reconsidering when he was on the phone with me, because I despise those who take advantage of people. But the price was just too good to pass up. It was $539 shipped brand new. Whereas on eBay and amazon it was over $600 for a used one.

James P wrote in post #16715916 (external link)
If I were you, I'd start looking for another place to buy camera equipment. This guy is obviously a commission salesman who is trying to up-sell you. I'm glad you didn't fall for it.

This was the first and last piece of equipment I will buy from these guys.


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Feb 25, 2014 13:34 |  #11

Megapixel123 wrote in post #16716652 (external link)
It was $539 shipped brand new. Whereas on eBay and amazon it was over $600 for a used one.

You've actually got the lens? And it was the one you actually ordered? If so, consider yourself a winner.


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Feb 25, 2014 13:43 |  #12

Bad upsell from a disreputable vendor.




  
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Feb 25, 2014 13:52 |  #13

gonzogolf wrote in post #16716766 (external link)
Bad upsell from a disreputable vendor.

bw!


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Feb 25, 2014 16:33 |  #14

Megapixel123 wrote in post #16715243 (external link)
The guy calls me today to "verify my order" which is fine, he then sells me this whole schpeal about needing these special filters.

At that point I would have canceled the order! To me that is a huge red flag of a bad vender and I'd questions the type of lens you'll get from a store like that (used or grey market anyone?). Or like Hollis said, they might let you know it's out of stock my and try to up-sell you again.

Saving money is great. Paying a little more to buy from a reputable vender is even better!!! (Heck, you could save eve more and buy one used for $500 from Adorama!)




  
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Feb 26, 2014 00:10 |  #15

hollis_f wrote in post #16716740 (external link)
You've actually got the lens? And it was the one you actually ordered? If so, consider yourself a winner.

I got the tracking number today, should be here Thursday. I'll update then.


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