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Feb 26, 2014 13:59 |  #46

I use to want to use gift all the time and I have done so on some that were even 1,000+.

After thinking about it long and hard... I have never gotten screwed but I keep seeing people like this so I quit doing it. Paypal regular only and payment will only be THROUGH CREDIT CARD.


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Feb 26, 2014 14:13 |  #47

Perspective - there are many honest and reputable sellers and buyers using this community forum. scammers are everywhere. with the single exception that I noted in this thread, I've had wonderful experiences purchasing lenses and my 5D from members of this community. Gracias!!

It's surprising how worked up folks get over paypal's options. Don't know why buyers and sellers cannot freely negotiate acceptable terms. If they want to use paypal gift, why would anybody care? Meanwhile, I don't see why anybody needs another hard rule (prohibiting paypal gifts) for the poor moderators to enforce. Sympathies extended.

Then again, what do I know?




  
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Feb 26, 2014 18:38 |  #48

In my opinion, people should price their items adding the fees to the price with no mention whatsoever. If someone wants to pay with gift and forego their protection, have at it. I just bought something here and the seller wanted $250 with buyer to pay fees. I thought it was worth it; so, I sent a regular payment of $250 and a gift payment in the amount of $7.50. Heck, it was relatively cheap insurance as opposed to crossing my fingers and hoping some meathead who wants me to pay his fees will not be ripping me off. All people who ask you to gift it are not thieves or liars; however, they are more inclined to happen to be thieves or liars than people who have you pay regular paypal.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 07:52 |  #49
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KirkS518 wrote in post #16716073 (external link)
3 Posts, member for 2 weeks (as of today), and 2 of those posts were in response to WTB ads. Honestly, I think you should write this off as a lesson learned, and next time a seller wants it as gift, pay it the regular way, but add 3%. That way the seller ends up with the same amount as if you sent it gift, and you retain your protection.

You should remove his name, or the mods will remove this thread.

This is not good. I'd never pay with Paypal gift even to established members.
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Feb 27, 2014 09:06 |  #50

BigSky wrote in post #16720255 (external link)
All people who ask you to gift it are not thieves or liars; however, they are more inclined to happen to be thieves or liars than people who have you pay regular paypal.

I disagree. By asking you to gift they are stealing PayPal's rightful commission so they are thieves, all of them. Since they are already showing their lack of ethics why would anyone trust them to accurately describe an item, complete a purchase, or correct any after the sale issue?




  
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Feb 27, 2014 13:06 |  #51

KirkS518 wrote in post #16716073 (external link)
3 Posts, member for 2 weeks (as of today), and 2 of those posts were in response to WTB ads.

This thread is good example why scammers are all over the web... it's because their old tricks still work! I bet there's someone out there sending money to a prince (in Nigeria) at this moment.




  
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Feb 27, 2014 13:09 |  #52

morph2_7 wrote in post #16722067 (external link)
This thread is good example why scammers are all over the web... it's because their old tricks still work! I bet there's someone out there sending money to a prince at this moment.

Not a prince, just the Minister of the interior. I'm anxiously waiting on my wire transfer for $200 million for the oil profits...:lol::lol::lol:


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Feb 27, 2014 14:57 |  #53

People can list as they see fit. Do this. Item "X" for sale for $210. Will provide discount of $6.30 for face to face cash deal, money order or personal check. Through pms, potential buyers can contact you and say, "hey, I'm willing to take the risk if you are willing to accept a gift payment so I too can save the $6.30 on this sale. Please.".




  
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Feb 27, 2014 15:52 |  #54

BufordFZ1 wrote in post #16722073 (external link)
Not a prince, just the Minister of the interior. I'm anxiously waiting on my wire transfer for $200 million for the oil profits...:lol::lol::lol:

Me too! Do you think we'll have to split it?




  
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Feb 27, 2014 19:59 as a reply to  @ rick_reno's post |  #55

So this same guy tried to sell me a 6d a couple of weeks ago. Said the forum wouldnt let him post it for sale, but assured me and even sent pics. As stated he was quick to respond and seemed legit from his website. Sent me his number to call and everything. I decided since he didnt have feedback and said he didnt have an ebay account, to check on him. I said id take the camera and to send me his pp id. The id he sent me had been registered 2 days before. Needless to say I told him there was no way i would send him $1200. Today I get a pm saying he had been banned from the site.

I agree NEVER send pp gift. Its just not worth saving $20 and have no recourse if something goes bad. This site and the other big one are built on trust, especially when dealing with the amounts of money we are. But if someone doesnt feel right I investigate with every available option before I hit the send button.



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Feb 27, 2014 23:30 |  #56

Keep in mind that the Gift thing is not just about avoiding scammers. Imagine some ways a transaction could go wrong: Package gets lost and seller didn't insure it; Buyer says the item he bought is not working properly and seller swears it was when he shipped it; Buyer/seller don't agree about condition/rating, etc.

A completely legit seller, who maybe has done 50 perfect transactions, might not have the cash to eat a $1000 lens that he didn't insure that got lost. Or that same seller may be "certain" that the $1000 lens must have been mucked up by the buyer, so why should be take it back. Or he might just feel that a buyer is being ridiculously picky. Whatever the case, if the buyer paid with Gift he has no recourse and no leverage.

I'm not suggesting that happens a lot, but I think it is pretty clear that despite the best intentions by all parties a transaction can go wrong. Why give up your rights as a buyer to save 3%?


  
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Feb 28, 2014 12:11 |  #57

mpix345 wrote in post #16723313 (external link)
Why give up your rights as a buyer to save 3%?

The Great and Only Barnum said: "A sucker is born every minute"! No matter how many stories we hear about using PP gift, some people never learn.




  
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Feb 28, 2014 13:24 |  #58

GrendelZ wrote in post #16722947 (external link)
The id he sent me had been registered 2 days before. Needless to say I told him there was no way i would send him $1200. Today I get a pm saying he had been banned from the site.

I agree NEVER send pp gift. Its just not worth saving $20 and have no recourse if something goes bad. This site and the other big one are built on trust, especially when dealing with the amounts of money we are. But if someone doesnt feel right I investigate with every available option before I hit the send button.

It does not matter whether it's Paypal gift or regular. It's not worth the hassle dealing with those a-holes even if there's a chance to get your money back. They only have 1 thing in mind, get in/out (or banned) fast to make a few bucks. They will be back with a new name and some unsuspecting members will fall for it again. Just because they have a website, phone number (even if you have conversed with them over the phone), it does not automatically mean they won't take your money and run.

You made the right call but your investigations are unnecessary. The number of posts and date of membership should be good enough to raise a RED flag. Responding to their PMs is like responding to spam.




  
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Feb 28, 2014 19:04 |  #59

morph2_7 wrote in post #16724603 (external link)
The number of posts and date of membership should be good enough to raise a RED flag. Responding to their PMs is like responding to spam.

I don't necessarily agree with this. We all had to start with zero posts, and a recent forum join date. As long as people use common sense, many scams can be avoided.

I engaged in PMs with this very user, went back and forth a few times, something didn't quite feel right, and some of his answers didn't add up, so I never sent money, and passed on his offerings.




  
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Feb 28, 2014 22:30 |  #60

adamo99 wrote in post #16725330 (external link)
I don't necessarily agree with this. We all had to start with zero posts, and a recent forum join date. As long as people use common sense, many scams can be avoided.

I engaged in PMs with this very user, went back and forth a few times, something didn't quite feel right, and some of his answers didn't add up, so I never sent money, and passed on his offerings.

Sure. You're free to make your own judgement. There's a higher risk dealing with new sellers offering items through PMs. I'm not willing to take that risk. If you think it's worth a shot, give it a try. Those crooks ruin it for everyone new who's honest.

gusnjax wrote in post #16725571 (external link)
Well I did open an investigation with paypal about this matter. So I will wait and see what happens. I'll post what happens with paypal...they have 10 days to complete their investigation.

Give us an update when you can. Thanks.




  
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