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85L original or mk II?

 
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Mar 05, 2014 15:35 |  #1

Looking to see what people's thoughts are on these two lenses compared. I'm not sure if the mk II is necessarily worth the extra few hundred bucks (used).

To get things out of the way:

  • I can budget for either... just a matter of time.
  • I would use the 85L for outdoor portraits.
  • I low light shoot sports, too. However, I'm more likely to use the 85/1.8 for sports for its faster AF.
How does either lens perform at weddings and events? Is the original 85L's autofocus so bad that it shouldn't be used at events?

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Mar 05, 2014 23:52 |  #2

Only have 85L II; never use the original one.

From http://www.the-digital-picture.com …-II-USM-Lens-Review.aspx: (external link)

The biggest downside to the original Canon EF 85mm f/1.2 L USM Lens was the very slow focusing speed. If you were shooting portraits, it didn't matter. But, a lens this fast begs to be used for indoor action sports. Canon has utilized the latest USM (Ultrasonic Motor) in this lens for faster (though I wouldn't give it a "fast" rating yet) and near-silent autofocus.

The 85 f/1.2 L II's improved focus mechanism is about 1.6x faster than the original lens - noticeably faster and a very nice improvement, but not as fast as Canon's fastest autofocusing lenses. While this lens certainly has the aperture and image quality to be an excellent indoor action sports lens, the AF performance is only "good enough" in my opinion - and not matching the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM Lens' AF performance.

From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Canon_EF_85mm_l​ens (external link)

The newer EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM version, which is aesthetically the same as the EF 85 mm f/1.2L USM, is updated with a newer CPU, 1.8 times faster autofocus, and upgraded anti-reflective lens coatings to reduce chromatic aberration, ghosting, and lens flare.

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Mar 06, 2014 00:07 |  #3

I've used both and neither of them wil be very great at indoor sports. If you're a member of CPS, lens rentals are free. Just remember that the "1.6x" times faster than geological speed is still painfully slow.


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Mar 06, 2014 07:42 |  #4

The original 85L had major CA issues unless stopped down to F/2.8 and a very slow and hard to capture focus.
The mark II is faster to focus (but still slow mind you), and still has CA issues, but more manageable (as in not so noticeable and easier to fix post processing) and hardly exist at F/2.8.

If you want something on crop, which will be equal to a 135, I would suggest the sigma 85.
Its better than the 1.8, will focus much faster, the IQ is good, and it doesn't have the "normal" sigma behaviour of miss behaving focus.


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Mar 06, 2014 07:50 |  #5

Nathan wrote in post #16736967 (external link)
Looking to see what people's thoughts are on these two lenses compared. I'm not sure if the mk II is necessarily worth the extra few hundred bucks (used).

To get things out of the way:
  • I can budget for either... just a matter of time.
  • I would use the 85L for outdoor portraits.
  • I low light shoot sports, too. However, I'm more likely to use the 85/1.8 for sports for its faster AF.
How does either lens perform at weddings and events? Is the original 85L's autofocus so bad that it shouldn't be used at events?

Thanks

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Sigma 85mm F1.4

Otherwise, EF 135mm F2.

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Mar 06, 2014 21:16 |  #6

x_tan - Thanks. I already read the digital picture review... which tells me that image quality between the two are not substantial. That's why I asked if anyone knew enough to compare.

Eyal - I've got two ff bodies. See my sig. As far as CA goes, apparently the 1.8 is better than both.

Malveaux - Those lenses are different considerations and topic. Irrelevant... I'm looking to gather as much light as possible.


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Mar 06, 2014 21:30 |  #7

Do not buy an 85l mk1. Canon no longer supports them and the repair parts, specifically the focus drive motors are hard to find.


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Mar 06, 2014 21:31 |  #8

Just another small consideration if you intent to keep the lens long term: the original version USM (Ultrasonic Motor) will run out the support earlier than Mark II; and 85L can't even manual focus without its motor.


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Mar 06, 2014 21:41 |  #9

kachadurian wrote in post #16740240 (external link)
Do not buy an 85l mk1. Canon no longer supports them and the repair parts, specifically the focus drive motors are hard to find.

We post at the same time :D

So, this is the same story as 200/1.8L.


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Mar 15, 2014 04:17 |  #10
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The optical design of the two lenses is identical. The danger you risk in buying the version from 1989 is that when that focus motor goes, you have a useless lens on your hands that you'll have to focus like it's a macro lens: the lens requires a functioning autofocus motor to focus because there is no mechanical focusing element. I wouldn't risk that with a lens that could be as old as 25 years.


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Mar 15, 2014 23:17 |  #11

I've heard that the lens laying on the mk II gives it an IQ edge over the first edition. Can anyone confirm this?


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Mar 16, 2014 20:47 |  #12

I got myself the mkI version last year for a great price. It looks as though it sat in storage since it was made. The focus speed isn't fast, but it isn't as slow as people make it out to be (gogo internet tales!). I'd get it again for the price I paid (about $1000 off a new mkII version).

It's easily my favourite lens by far. Though it doesn't get abused in its usage as it's primarily used for portraiture and the weather where I live is fairly tame. So here's hoping I haven't jinxed myself with this post!

The last wedding I went to I took only the 85L with my 5D classic. Even with this 'impossible to focus in poor light' combo, it performed very well indeed. f1.2 @ISO1600 sucks in a huge amount of available light.


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Mar 16, 2014 20:59 |  #13

Lol... I might be veering away both altogether. Been looking at some of the so-called manual focus Bokeh Monsters.


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Mar 16, 2014 21:01 |  #14

I have the Version 1 and LOVE mine. No complaints.


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Mar 16, 2014 21:06 |  #15

Nathan wrote in post #16763651 (external link)
Lol... I might be veering away both altogether. Been looking at some of the so-called manual focus Bokeh Monsters.

? You mean Pentacon 135mm f/2.8


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