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School Auditorium Photo Criticism

 
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Mar 06, 2014 14:50 |  #1

I shoot our local music program's events, selling the prints to raise money for the kids. Totally volunteer basis; not for profit. Nonetheless, I want to do the best I can with the horrific auditorium lighting. The other tricky part is trying to get a shot of very single kid so all the parents get an image. Here are some examples of what I've done using a Canon 70-200 L 2.8 IS. (This is the first time I've ever posted for criticism, so I'm a bit scared, but this is all about learning.) The last two were particularly disturbing. I did what I could in LR, but- blah. I'm sorry if this is too many.Thanks in advance for your tips and advice!

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Mar 06, 2014 14:51 |  #2

By the way, I had to use the watermarks because people steal these from flickr.


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Mar 06, 2014 18:56 |  #3

Given the poor room lighting in a very big space...an auditorium....I think your photos were not bad at all. There's some shadow....but working in this environment it's a hard task.




  
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Mar 07, 2014 08:07 |  #4

Thank you. It is hard.


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Mar 07, 2014 09:45 |  #5

The drummer is a fantastic photo...


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Mar 07, 2014 13:00 |  #6

Thanks!


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Mar 07, 2014 13:05 |  #7

The group shots have something funny going on in the highlights. Its like a slightly pink smear in the highlights on their faces, did you do anything in post to bring the highlights back down?




  
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Mar 07, 2014 13:21 |  #8

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The group shots have something funny going on in the highlights. Its like a slightly pink smear in the highlights on their faces, did you do anything in post to bring the highlights back down?

THAT was the biggest issue I had. I was so frustrated. I worked with those shots in LR for days, and I could not bring down the highlights. I tried everything I could think of. There must be a way. Any help on that would be a huge favor. Thanks!


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Mar 07, 2014 13:24 |  #9

I'm going to be shooting Guys and Dolls in the same auditorium, so any tips are very welcome!


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Mar 07, 2014 13:24 |  #10
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It seems to me that the highlights were blown out in the first place, in more than one channel if not all of them. Did you use the Recovery slider?


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Mar 07, 2014 13:26 |  #11

glasllyn wrote in post #16741557 (external link)
THAT was the biggest issue I had. I was so frustrated. I worked with those shots in LR for days, and I could not bring down the highlights. I tried everything I could think of. There must be a way. Any help on that would be a huge favor. Thanks!

The only way to do it, is to not overepose the hightlights to begin with. Once the image clips, meaning the highlights are overexposed to the point that no data exists within that white, you cant fill in. Lightroom will try, but you see what you get. Do you have the blinkies enabled on your LCD? Do you use the histogram to check exposure? Both of those things will alert you to clipping, the blinkies will show you exactly where. You have to learn when its okay to have some blinkie, occasionally its more important to save a middle tone than a highlight, but its a useful tool. But back to the issue at heart, avoid clipping in shots like this, you can always lift a shadow a bit, or tweak a middle tone, but once a highlight is gone, its gone.




  
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Mar 07, 2014 13:26 |  #12

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It seems to me that the highlights were blown out in the first place, in more than one channel if not all of them. Did you use the Recovery slider?

I guess I'm not familiar enough with LR. I don't know what you're referring to. Is that in LR 5? The contrast in there is brutal. I didn't know what better settings I could have used.


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Mar 07, 2014 13:28 |  #13
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Sorry, just googled it: that'd be the Highlights slider in version 5 (I'm still using version 3.3).


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Mar 07, 2014 13:31 |  #14

Alveric wrote in post #16741581 (external link)
Sorry, just googled it: that'd be the Highlights slider in version 5 (I'm still using version 3.3).

Yes, that's what I used, but to no good end.


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Mar 07, 2014 13:34 |  #15

gonzogolf wrote in post #16741571 (external link)
Do you have the blinkies enabled on your LCD? Do you use the histogram to check exposure? Both of those things will alert you to clipping, the blinkies will show you exactly where. You have to learn when its okay to have some blinkie, occasionally its more important to save a middle tone than a highlight, but its a useful tool. But back to the issue at heart, avoid clipping in shots like this, you can always lift a shadow a bit, or tweak a middle tone, but once a highlight is gone, its gone.

I do not use that, and I'm dumb for ignoring the histogram. There's so much to learn.


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