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Could 4K Video change Wed. Photo. as we know it?

 
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Mar 08, 2014 22:03 |  #1

In the early days of digital wedding photography many shooters where using 8k pixel cameras and it really became clear that digital was taking over when the 20D started getting used for weddings. In fact since most photos are published to the web or to an album then 8k pixels are plenty.

There has been a lot of noise around 4K video. I have even seen some snaps from video that are sharp and clear. Now if the video is running with a high shutter speed and the photographer is careful I am wondering if this would change wedding photography as we know it.

If we consider 4K video just a 30 FPS 8K frame rate maybe the future is taking video and ripping snaps for the album while using the video for other publishing features.

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Mar 08, 2014 22:07 |  #2

If you think you can live with shutter speeds around 1/50th for your stills then by all means go for it. ;)


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Mar 08, 2014 22:11 |  #3

Another thing to think about is lighting. You can create interesting and dramatic looks with small flashes that would require quite a bit of gear to do with hot lights, and the hot lights wouldn't be nearly as versatile.


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Mar 08, 2014 22:45 |  #4

Uh! That's a myth. Maybe its best to show you with a great youtube video (external link). <-- LINK The speed * 2 rule is not hard.

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Mar 08, 2014 22:47 |  #5

Yes this would be a detractor. But what if I just went ahead and used flash or another light source to create the effect. Don't think it would hurt video and could still grab the shot.

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Mar 08, 2014 23:03 |  #6

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Uh! That's a myth. Maybe its best to show you with a great youtube video (external link). <-- LINK The speed * 2 rule is not hard.

No it's not. I personally thought he looked quite choppy at the higher shutter speeds. Granted that could be my laptop, but I doubt it. Here's a side by side comparison by JPMorgan at Slanted Lens:
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Yes this would be a detractor. But what if I just went ahead and used flash or another light source to create the effect. Don't think it would hurt video and could still grab the shot.

That just sounds like way too much work to pull a still frame. :confused: I can see it being handy at times, when the primary prerogative is video, but I couldn't see trying to mull through an entire video to pull stills, and I certainly wouldn't want to watch an entire video shot at 1/125th a second. If you're a videographer that want's to offer a few stills then sure, but getting rid of the photographer completely? No, I don't see it.

Peter Hurley pitted a Red against a Hassy, and he felt about the same way. He got some good shots, but it was a ton of effort, and a bit of a waste.
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Mar 09, 2014 01:43 |  #8

Much like many thought when dslr cameras could shoot HD video, it could be serious trouble for videographers. And many were jumping on the fusion bandwagon. Now that the dust has settled, a very small select few are doing both but for the most part, things went back to normal. I think the same thing will happen here too. There will be an initial buzz, but thing will settle back down. That's my guess.

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Mar 10, 2014 00:16 |  #9

4K footage shot in some kind of RAW codec would consume a ton of space!

Plus, I wouldn't want to lose the latitude of tradition 14-bit CR2 files in Lightroom.


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Mar 10, 2014 00:58 |  #10

Let me weigh it up for a moment...

It would require extra storage, take longer to process and place limits on creativity... I can't see one good reason for spending more time, more money using something which will give a lower standard product.


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Mar 10, 2014 10:45 as a reply to  @ memoriesoftomorrow's post |  #11

They way people shoot for stills is quite different than the way they shoot for video. When shooting stills we have the freedom to shoot action/reaction by turning back and forth quite quickly. You can't do that with video without making people sick. Therefore, every action/reaction moment has to be shot with at least two and sometimes more video cameras. This results in either missing part of the action, or having multiple cameras and operators which can overwhelm the moments, require more planning for spontaneous events, or not be practical for the space requirements.

I do think that it may be possible that at some point photographers will use video as a super high speed motor drive shooting at 30fps for 1/4 or 1/2 second intervals to nail the perfect moment in something like sports photography. I don't see video as a replacement for a talented stills photographer.


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Mar 10, 2014 11:12 |  #12

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I do think that it may be possible that at some point photographers will use video as a super high speed motor drive shooting at 30fps for 1/4 or 1/2 second intervals to nail the perfect moment in something like sports photography. I don't see video as a replacement for a talented stills photographer.

Maybe this is how it will really be used. I would certainly consider this a good idea for The Kiss.


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Mar 10, 2014 18:28 |  #13

davidfig wrote in post #16747960 (external link)
Maybe this is how it will really be used. I would certainly consider this a good idea for The Kiss.

Or maybe you could just get good at timing your shot, a whole lot easier.


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coryparris wrote in post #16747882 (external link)
I do think that it may be possible that at some point photographers will use video as a super high speed motor drive shooting at 30fps for 1/4 or 1/2 second intervals to nail the perfect moment in something like sports photography. I don't see video as a replacement for a talented stills photographer.


Sounds more realistic than shooting the whole thing in 4k and then spending ages and ages and ages going through the video to pick the shots. A photo camera with a 30FPS burst option based on 4K video camera's sounds very make-able in the not too distant future.

I can see 4K screenshots replace photography in some degree when it comse to pro sports and other highly covered events.


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May 06, 2014 16:54 |  #15

Actually I think that photographers will video short spurts like movie making. Here is an example. (external link) Check out the video at 1:38. Note that he goes frame by frame and grabs the shot he wants.


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