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Mar 09, 2014 18:39 |  #1

I'm looking to make the jump up from the Canon 400mm 5.6L to a longer lens for birding, however, it seems like to get any more reach, I need a LOT of money. The only thing I can come up with is a Canon 300 2.8 MK1 IS (with a 1.4x Tcon), which seems like I can be had for between 2500 and 3200 dollars.

I am wondering if there are any good third party lenses for birding. I know sigma makes some great portrait primes, but I don't know about their telephotos. What is your experience with third party birding lenses?


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Mar 09, 2014 18:42 |  #2

There's the new, Tamron 150-600 that runs a hair over $1000. It's been working pretty well for many of us so far.


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Mar 09, 2014 18:48 |  #3

Snydremark wrote in post #16746346 (external link)
There's the new, Tamron 150-600 that runs a hair over $1000. It's been working pretty well for many of us so far.

Wow, that seems super cheap for a 600mm lens with IS. How is the quality and focus?


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Mar 09, 2014 18:49 |  #4

Snydremark wrote in post #16746346 (external link)
There's the new, Tamron 150-600 that runs a hair over $1000. It's been working pretty well for many of us so far.

Yes. Take a look at these threads for an idea:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1348082

https://photography-on-the.net …read.php?t=1340​733&page=3

It's been getting pretty nice reviews. Some users state experiencing focus problems for BIF in AI Servo on certain bodies, but others seem very pleased. Still waiting on mine :(

You can kind of compare image quality with other lenses, like the Sigma 50-500, 150-500, Canon 100-400 + 1.4X TC, etc., here:

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Mar 09, 2014 18:57 |  #5

It works pretty well:

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And yes, see the other threads that Moose linked above

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Mar 09, 2014 19:02 |  #6

I dont think you'll find much that is sharper than a 400 5.6.

I would love to see some side by side comparisons of the new Tamron 150-600 vs the 400 5.6
at 400 I suspect the Canon will be sharper.
At 600 on the Tamron with the Canon cropped to match is what I would really like to see.
Then the Tamrom at 600 cropped 20% or so and the Canon 400 cropped to match.



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Mar 09, 2014 19:13 |  #7

Snydremark wrote in post #16746395 (external link)
It works pretty well:

Eric,
It does seem that the lens provides good sharpness, based on the resolution of the feather detail. However, the max aperture of f6.3 is quite telling; the business of that background would have been smoothed out beautifully with an f4 lens.

Is the focus tracking in AI Servo good with birds in flight? That's something that some folks are complaining about - people say that it works well on some bodies, but not as well with the 7D or the 1D Mk4. I see you're using a 7D, so I am very curious to know how well the AF tracks fast moving subjects in difficult lighting conditions with the body you're using.


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Mar 09, 2014 19:14 |  #8

jhayesvw wrote in post #16746408 (external link)
I dont think you'll find much that is sharper than a 400 5.6.

I would love to see some side by side comparisons of the new Tamron 150-600 vs the 400 5.6
at 400 I suspect the Canon will be sharper.
At 600 on the Tamron with the Canon cropped to match is what I would really like to see.
Then the Tamrom at 600 cropped 20% or so and the Canon 400 cropped to match.

Can't compare a cropped image from the 400 to the 150-600 here (external link), but you can compare the image of the 400 + 1.4X TC to the 150-600 at 500mm or 600mm. Where the 150-600 sucks is in the corners, but it does pretty well in the center. Better at 500 than 600, as one might expect:

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If you don't care for zooms, or need IS, (or the extra reach) the 400 is the way to go.


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Mar 09, 2014 21:55 |  #9

I have the Sigma 150-500, use it on a 60D and have been very pleased with it, both in price and images taken. I've used it in many different temperatures and bad weather conditions, from boats, horseback and ATV, so far no problems. I also would be the first to admit that I've been impressed by the images posted taken with the Tamron 150-600 and would give it serious thought if I did not already have the Sigma. Just my 2 cents worth but if you have the 400 and want more length just as well go on up to at least 600 and keep the 400 of course.


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Mar 10, 2014 00:29 |  #10

Coppatop85 wrote in post #16746342 (external link)
I'm looking to make the jump up from the Canon 400mm 5.6L to a longer lens for birding, however, it seems like to get any more reach, I need a LOT of money. The only thing I can come up with is a Canon 300 2.8 MK1 IS (with a 1.4x Tcon), which seems like I can be had for between 2500 and 3200 dollars.

I am wondering if there are any good third party lenses for birding. I know sigma makes some great portrait primes, but I don't know about their telephotos. What is your experience with third party birding lenses?

That still only gets you 420mm. Grab a 2x TC. The other decent option, would be the Sigma 120-300/2.8 OS Sport, with a pair of TCs.


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Mar 10, 2014 01:24 |  #11

Tom Reichner wrote in post #16746434 (external link)
Eric,
It does seem that the lens provides good sharpness, based on the resolution of the feather detail. However, the max aperture of f6.3 is quite telling; the business of that background would have been smoothed out beautifully with an f4 lens.

Is the focus tracking in AI Servo good with birds in flight? That's something that some folks are complaining about - people say that it works well on some bodies, but not as well with the 7D or the 1D Mk4. I see you're using a 7D, so I am very curious to know how well the AF tracks fast moving subjects in difficult lighting conditions with the body you're using.

I agree that an f/4 lens would certainly have rendered that background better, Tom, but it also wouldn't have only cost $1069, either. Sure you give up a few things, but for a consumer grade ZOOM that goes to 600mm, there's really nothing to complain about.

As far as AF tracking, I've had limited ability to use it for BiF; but the times I *have* used it with enough time to acquire a subject, it's performed well enough:

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I most certainly wouldn't attempt to use this thing as a dedicated BiF lens, but for "incidental" work it's not bad. Most of the problems that are reported for the 7D (which I have run into) are things that are negligible under most, normal shooting circumstances.

@Jeremy: I don't have resized crops or anything, and there is a fair bit of variation in the following exposures, but maybe it will help (click through for better renditions, and to see larger on my Flickr):
100-400 @ 400mm:
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Tammy @ 400mm:
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Tammy @ 483mm:
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My big problem with everyone's desire to see crops of 400s vs the 600 is just how much of the image one has to remove to get an equivalent crop; you're throwing out somewhere between a 1/3 and 1/2 of your overall data to get the same framing/view at that point, which you'd then have to upsize in post to wind up with the same image. Below are UNcropped 400 and 600mm shots of the same bird, from the same distance, for reference (not IQ comparison).

400mm:
IMAGE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60553404/Photos/samples/Tamron%20150-600/BEagle_400-1922.jpg

600:
IMAGE: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/60553404/Photos/samples/Tamron%20150-600/BEagle_600-1894.jpg

Unless you are shooting one of the big guns, you're likely going to kill any "IQ" advantage that you might have at 400 by having to crop and resize the image.

Bottom line is, though, it's not an 'L'/is never going BE an 'L' but you can't get anything else for an equivalent price that is going to perform so well at 600mm. <shrug> The next cheapest "600" you're going to get is a 300 f/4 + 2x TC which is going to be at f/8 and only going to work on 1D series or a 5DIII body; whereas, even though it's somewhat slow, this one works on anything from a 20D to a 1Dx.

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Mar 10, 2014 03:49 |  #12

I changed from a Sigma 150-500 which I used for a few years to the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 which I use with both 1.4 and 2X TC's. So a 600mm f5.6, it is a heavy lens though.

This with a 2X

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Mar 10, 2014 04:07 |  #13

Eric,
It certainly looks like you're doing quite well with that 150-600. You seem to know how to get the most out of your gear. And I agree, for $1,000 there's nothing else out there that will give you as much as that lens gives you.


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Mar 10, 2014 04:29 |  #14

I'm having fun with mine! :)

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Mar 10, 2014 09:35 |  #15

artyman wrote in post #16747262 (external link)
I changed from a Sigma 150-500 which I used for a few years to the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 which I use with both 1.4 and 2X TC's. So a 600mm f5.6, it is a heavy lens though.

This with a 2X

For information's sake, what does the 120-300 cost, compared to the 300 f/4?


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