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Feb 09, 2006 19:36 |  #16

In that case, just guessing, you'd probably have to aim the tub straight with the dome on to help diffuse the light. Bouncing in that typical case would probably fully drain your batteries and might still not be enough unless you crank the ISO... which might be a good option.

Just a guess though. I'd love to see some pics of that from people in the know though.


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Feb 09, 2006 20:25 |  #17

Don't know what it will do in a church with 80 foot ceilings, Marian, but there are some wedding shots from the reception and large groups at Fong's website. All I know is I like it a lot for indoor shots of people. I have to admit the light is softer than with my bounce card setup. Those shots with the dome at 90 degrees are the softest yet. I think it beats most bounce cards hands down (with the possible exception of one really, really large oval one cdi-ink's maybe?), and although I've seen similar results with various milk jug arrangements, I think this looks at least a little less weird.

I think Mr. Fong has a pretty nice product. I'm still bowled over by Dan's kid shots and some of the candid shots I've done around the house. Thanks for all this experimental work, folks! You are great "public servants"!

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Feb 09, 2006 21:33 |  #18

Gary Fong doesn't shoot pictures of dolls, pets, etc.

Go to Gary's website and look at his bridal party shot, where he mentions a high ceiling. Really "stare" at the lighting on the picture. Look at the bridesmaid to the left of the bride. Her shoulder is in shadow. Why? If it's a straight on shot, her shoulder should be lit! "Stare" at the folds of the dresses and the shadow of the flowers that the ladies are holding. Tell me, which way the lighting is coming from! There is a lot of internal lighting in that picture. Did the LS do that??

Your ceiling and surroundings will dictate the outcome of a picture. Sure your indoors pictures will come out, around the house! Put a Tupperware bowl over your flash and shoot the same picture! Vitually the same!

Go back to Gary's website and look at the little video he shows with the woman sitting down in the hallway of a hotel. What he DID NOT DO, was to take the same picture again, point the flash up at the ceiling and pull out the small reflector card which is built in, inside a lot of the newer flashes. (I have it on my SIGMA flash). You get the SAME exact result as the Light Thingy!




  
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Feb 09, 2006 21:51 as a reply to  @ JohnCollins's post |  #19

Well so far I am pleased with it but I think it is way over priced. Mine fits a little loose over my 430EX.

Here is just a shot of the familly watching "Survivor" Only the TV for light and a bit of background in the kitchen.

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Feb 09, 2006 21:56 |  #20

Dan, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I can't stand it any longer. How do you get those nice frames around shots you post here? Tons of folks do it, and I'm wondering how to do it myself. It looks so much more finished than just posting the pic without a frame.

I have Photoshop Elements v4. Is it in there and I just haven't found it yet?

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Feb 09, 2006 23:06 as a reply to  @ JohnCollins's post |  #21

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Dan, I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I can't stand it any longer. How do you get those nice frames around shots you post here? Tons of folks do it, and I'm wondering how to do it myself. It looks so much more finished than just posting the pic without a frame.

I have Photoshop Elements v4. Is it in there and I just haven't found it yet?

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John, these frames are quite easy to do and certainly add to the visual impact. There are several procedures in the post processing section of the forums that work quite well. And I believe PE v4. should have no problem doing them. Basically layers, expand canvas, drop shadows, etc.

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Feb 09, 2006 23:36 |  #22

Might I recommend as a first step that before you apply ANY framing script to duplicate your image first... so you don't totally screw it up.
Trust me. It's worth the extra 2 seconds.


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Feb 10, 2006 06:51 |  #23

Thanks for the tips, guys. And you're right RAitch. I've learned that lesson already! DOH!

It's now an automatic resonse, like frequently saving Word or Excel documents.

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Feb 10, 2006 07:21 |  #24

Good. For memory purposes, I remember limiting my undo steps to 20. Most of these framing scripts will exceed that so you can't undo backwards.
You can save a snapshot in history (which is a great habit to get into) but when you start messing with canvas and image sizes, it's probably just better to duplicate the image (not onto a new layer folks, creates a new Photoshop file with a merged image) so no matter what you do, you've still got all of your edits in the first file.


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Feb 10, 2006 13:05 as a reply to  @ RAitch's post |  #25

I just got the LS2PJ. I haven't had the chance to try it yet. So am I to believe that using the lid indoors, no matter if there is a low celing, provides better results? When I received it, it didn't come with instructions so I am at a lost at the use of the lid. When to use it and when not to use it.

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Feb 10, 2006 13:44 as a reply to  @ post 1172889 |  #26

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FEC was at zero for all these.

It never works for me with 0 FEC. What's your setting with 430EX? I use my 580EX with ETTL, +2/3 +1 1 /3 FEC, M mode, usually f/5.6 and 1/60 or 1/125. Am I just suffering from 580EX "under exposure" syndrome?


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Feb 10, 2006 14:20 as a reply to  @ Art Rodriguez's post |  #27

Art was there a "quick reference card" with it? there was with mine.
It's on his site( which is confusing as hell...LOL )

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I just got the LS2PJ. I haven't had the chance to try it yet. So am I to believe that using the lid indoors, no matter if there is a low celing, provides better results? When I received it, it didn't come with instructions so I am at a lost at the use of the lid. When to use it and when not to use it.

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Feb 10, 2006 14:22 as a reply to  @ Amorous's post |  #28

According to his instructions try F/4 at 1/60 and ISO 400.
He says wide open as possible....give it a try


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It never works for me with 0 FEC. What's your setting with 430EX? I use my 580EX with ETTL, +2/3 +1 1 /3 FEC, M mode, usually f/5.6 and 1/60 or 1/125. Am I just suffering from 580EX "under exposure" syndrome?


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Feb 10, 2006 15:39 as a reply to  @ mrclark321's post |  #29

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Art was there a "quick reference card" with it? there was with mine.
It's on his site( which is confusing as hell...LOL )

No, there wasn't one. I did download the one from his site and printed it. But it is confusing. I have done a search here on the forum about the dome but there seems to be different views on the subject. I was never good with instructions:) I guess I will just have to test it out with and without the dome.

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Feb 10, 2006 16:45 as a reply to  @ Art Rodriguez's post |  #30

On the right side of the reference sheet it says head position(diffuser & dome) This is the angle of the diffuser 45 90 or 180 degrees

For indoors:
ISO 400-800
E-TTL
Use MAN aperture 1/30 1/60 @ F 2.8 F4 ( I use 1/60 and F4 )
Diffuser at 45 degrees (leave on dome)


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No, there wasn't one. I did download the one from his site and printed it. But it is confusing. I have done a search here on the forum about the dome but there seems to be different views on the subject. I was never good with instructions:) I guess I will just have to test it out with and without the dome.

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