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1/1000 flash sync. Which cameras can do this?

 
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Mar 14, 2014 12:48 |  #1

A friend of mine was nice enough to lend me his X100 for a snowboard photoshoot this weekend. I took it home and did a couple test shots with my Elinchrom Ranger at 1/1000. I'm really impressed with how even the light is across the entire frame, which is exactly what I was hoping for. I'm now majorly considering buying another body for this sole reason alone. I know some of you are probably thinking, WHY?! The ranger has a very short flash duration when used with the Freelite A head. Right. It does, however, it's not enough and I also want to kill more ambient. I hate filters - I find focusing becomes more difficult. So with that said, I'm curious what other cameras are out there that can help me achieve the same result. Fast shutter speeds that also sync with my flash.

I was about to pull the trigger on a local used X100S yesterday but someone beat me to it. Now I'm thinking perhaps I should do a little more research and see what my options are. I am not looking to spend more than $1500 at the absolute most. Ideally, I would like to spend closer to $1000-$1200 (willing to buy used). This means I am NOT interested in medium format :P.

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Mar 14, 2014 12:55 |  #2

Some older cameras with electronic shutters do, like the Nikon D70 or some of the Canon Gs. I'm not so sure about new models though.

But do you really find shooting with an ND filter that bad? I don't have any problems with them.




  
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Mar 14, 2014 13:00 |  #3

frugivore wrote in post #16758462 (external link)
Some older cameras with electronic shutters do, like the Nikon D70 or some of the Canon Gs. I'm not so sure about new models though.

But do you really find shooting with an ND filter that bad? I don't have any problems with them.

ND is out of the question. Not only does it kill my ambient, it kills my strobe power too. I specifically want and need a camera that is capable of syncing at speeds no slower than 1/1000. And remember, I'm shooting skiers and snowboarders chucking themselves off cliffs, and 60 foot jumps. If I was shooting portraits, sure, no problem. With moving objects though, the last thing I want to do is slap a dark piece of glass in front of my lens.


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Mar 14, 2014 13:17 |  #4

Canon G1X syncs at all shutter speeds up to 1/4000 sec. Goes for $550 new.


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Mar 14, 2014 13:18 |  #5

Fuji X100s


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Mar 14, 2014 13:36 |  #6

The nikon d40 and d70 are slrs with the CCD chip and electronic shutters. Might he worth a the investment. The D40 used to show up cheap fairly often on craigslist.




  
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Mar 14, 2014 14:02 |  #7

algold wrote in post #16758505 (external link)
Canon G1X syncs at all shutter speeds up to 1/4000 sec. Goes for $550 new.

Are you sure that's not with HSS? Here's what DP Review shows:

Auto, Manual Flash On / Off, Slow Sync, Red-eye reduction
• Fastest speed
- 1/2000 sec (built-in flash)
- 1/250 sec (external flash)
- 1/4000 sec (external using high-speed synchro)




  
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Mar 14, 2014 14:22 |  #8

Absolutely positive. Put my 430ex on it without switching HSS on, syncs at 1/4000 sec without any problems with even illumination of the frame.


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Mar 14, 2014 14:29 |  #9

algold wrote in post #16758677 (external link)
Absolutely positive. Put my 430ex on it without switching HSS on, syncs at 1/4000 sec without any problems with even illumination of the frame.

That's quite impressive! Do studio lights like the Einstein work at this speed or is it Canon speedlites only?




  
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Mar 14, 2014 14:30 |  #10

Try Mettle 600AD strobes with YN 622C triggers.

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Mar 14, 2014 14:54 |  #11

frugivore wrote in post #16758692 (external link)
That's quite impressive! Do studio lights like the Einstein work at this speed or is it Canon speedlites only?

I don't have any Einsteins, but my cheap Tokina syncs well up to 1/1000 sec at full power.
With darkening at shorter SS. No idea what the flash duration though, guess it's around 1/800-1/1000 sec. If flash duration of Einsteins is shortet, syncing at shorter SS shouldn't be a problem.


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Mar 14, 2014 15:18 |  #12

algold wrote in post #16758677 (external link)
Absolutely positive. Put my 430ex on it without switching HSS on, syncs at 1/4000 sec without any problems with even illumination of the frame.

Hi, I'm very interested to see that finding, Tx!
I'm trying to find out more about the G1-X Mk II, especially the high shutter speed syncing. As mentioned above, Canon themselves do confuse the issue by saying that 1/4000th is only available via their Speedlites using HSS. The Mk II's wider Ap could make it an ideal high shutter speed speedliter's camera. Even my S95 will sync to its top speed using an optical slave from its built-in set to M flash. To maintain linearity of flash-light captured, do you have to run your 430Ex at less than full power, to shorten its duration?
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Mar 14, 2014 15:28 |  #13

No, I just used 430 in TTL mode and the camera was in Tv mode.
The build-in flash syncs up to 1/2000 sec.


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Mar 14, 2014 17:19 as a reply to  @ algold's post |  #14

Back on topic...

What other cameras can do this? I know there has got to be more than just the Fuji X100, X100s and Canon G1X cameras...


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Mar 14, 2014 19:14 |  #15

Aressem wrote in post #16759090 (external link)
Back on topic...

What other cameras can do this? I know there has got to be more than just the Fuji X100, X100s and Canon G1X cameras...

There aren't too many that go above 1/250s. I found this article which explains why most cameras use a mechanical shutter instead of an electronic one (resulting in the slower sync speeds):

http://www.steves-digicams.com …echanical-shutters.html#b (external link)




  
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