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Well crap I did it.... bye bye 6D... hello 5D3!

 
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Mar 18, 2014 15:52 |  #211

Talley wrote in post #16767426 (external link)
The 6D Center cross is a 5.6 cross type in a + pattern. There is an additional non cross single line that overlays the cross in a - shape that is 2.8 sensitive. It captures vertical lines (because it is horizontal it sees anything vertical.

So again. That 2.8 sensitive horizontal line in the center is very sensitive and very good but it's not a cross type. The center cross is only 5.6 sensitive. But together they work good. If you don't use 2.8 or faster glass then you lose that capability of the 2.8 but you still benefit from a + type cross sensor and another - overlayed on top of it.

Now the 5D3

It does have multiple cross type dual AF in the center but they are not dual 2.8 cross type. The 5 vertical center points have one 2.8 cross in a X format and a 5.6 sensitive overlayed on top in a + format creating a dual cross. It's outer points surrounding the center 5 are regular 5.6 cross as found on the outer points of the 7D and the further points in blue are F4 vertical sensitive and 5.6 horizontal sensitive cross type and the furthest outer points are just regular horizontal types as found on the 6D outer points.

I'm not sure but I believe the 7D, 60D both have actual dual 2.8 cross type centers not found in either 6D or the 5D3, these two have a different method as mentioned above.

Somebody check me on this.


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h14nha wrote in post #16768093 (external link)
It also helps they are dark coloured birds against clean uncluttered backgrounds.

The 6D has a lower keeper rate in AI Servo than some other bodies, but if you have patience and skill it's enough to get great results, the photographer is more important than the autofocus system. Still, if you're a bird photographer, choosing a 6D is a questionable choice. :lol:
I find the slow frame rate compared to say the 7D a bigger issue than the AF system. But the 5D3 is not hugely better in this area.


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Mar 18, 2014 16:14 |  #212
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Talley wrote in post #16767997 (external link)
Believe me it's not the camera. It's that peanut behind the viewfinder :p

I agree...I did say "you". However, after giving credit where it's due, the camera does play a role, else you would not be buying a better one.


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Mar 18, 2014 16:39 |  #213

Talley wrote in post #16767997 (external link)
Believe me it's not the camera. It's that peanut behind the viewfinder :p

h14nha wrote in post #16768093 (external link)
It also helps they are dark coloured birds against clean uncluttered backgrounds.

100% agree with both of these comments.


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Mar 18, 2014 17:10 |  #214

I'll also take the credit and agree that both are true ;)


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Mar 18, 2014 18:40 |  #215

gabebalazs wrote in post #16768409 (external link)
I'll also take the credit and agree that both are true ;)

Toot Toot.... wheres your horn? haha


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Mar 18, 2014 18:48 |  #216

I just skimmed over the 20 page canon guide to the 5D3 and noticed one key thing

Adjustable "[One-Shot AF release priority]" meaning you can adjust it to prioritize focus before the shutter snaps or set it to release meaning soon as you mash the button it cuts down the focusing time.

This is probably the number one feature I'm going to be trying. Gabe, you can remember my thread when I was complaining about the extra time it takes the 6D to snap the shutter after the button is pushed. On my 60D and my 7D I can be out of focus and soon as I I FULLY press to try to focus and snap the shot all at once it was darn near instant. On the 6D there is a hesitation.

Say what you want but the hesitation is there. It's not in servo mode but in one shot it is. Try it. Compare it. Throw the lens to MFD then focus on something in one shot mode. NO half press... just mash the button all the way down and do it several times and take note of the time it takes from the time you press the button to the time the shutter goes off.

Then do it with any other body.

6D has lag. Others dont and I find it annoying as hell.


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Mar 18, 2014 19:18 |  #217
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Talley wrote in post #16768666 (external link)
I just skimmed over the 20 page canon guide to the 5D3 and noticed one key thing

Adjustable "[One-Shot AF release priority]" meaning you can adjust it to prioritize focus before the shutter snaps or set it to release meaning soon as you mash the button it cuts down the focusing time.

This is probably the number one feature I'm going to be trying. Gabe, you can remember my thread when I was complaining about the extra time it takes the 6D to snap the shutter after the button is pushed. On my 60D and my 7D I can be out of focus and soon as I I FULLY press to try to focus and snap the shot all at once it was darn near instant. On the 6D there is a hesitation.

Say what you want but the hesitation is there. It's not in servo mode but in one shot it is. Try it. Compare it. Throw the lens to MFD then focus on something in one shot mode. NO half press... just mash the button all the way down and do it several times and take note of the time it takes from the time you press the button to the time the shutter goes off.

Then do it with any other body.

6D has lag. Others dont and I find it annoying as hell.

Tried all my lenses Talley...no lag when set to MF.


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Mar 18, 2014 19:20 |  #218

Imagine that lol. I hear ya Talley. Definitely frustrating




  
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Mar 18, 2014 19:26 |  #219

BBAF IMO. If kids are sitting still/sitting around, I might switch to C1 one shot AF on shutter button. Definitely ways to work around that issue. Didnt understand the "lag" issue you were talking about, but do now. I had my brothers 5D3 setup the same way actually. If people were stagnant, AF shutter button and shutter release only on focus lock (85L really demanded it).


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Mar 18, 2014 19:56 |  #220

Bakewell wrote in post #16768731 (external link)
Tried all my lenses Talley...no lag when set to MF.

We are having an AF discussion here. Technically you don't need any AF points if you MF. This is all.

And you must compare to another body to get what I'm saying.


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Mar 18, 2014 19:58 |  #221

Charlie wrote in post #16768743 (external link)
BBAF IMO. If kids are sitting still/sitting around, I might switch to C1 one shot AF on shutter button. Definitely ways to work around that issue. Didnt understand the "lag" issue you were talking about, but do now. I had my brothers 5D3 setup the same way actually. If people were stagnant, AF shutter button and shutter release only on focus lock (85L really demanded it).

Well when you BBF typically you are setup in SERVO so you will not see the lag I am talking about.

Seriously guys, one shot with shutter button focusing too like normal there is a damn lag. Try it against any other body.

And yes, I BBF when I need to but don't always. Just depends on my needs for the situation.


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Mar 18, 2014 20:13 |  #222

hello Talley
now after 15 pages :)
you will buy the 5D3
or you will stay with the 6D ?


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Mar 18, 2014 20:17 |  #223

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hello Talley
now after 15 pages :)
you will buy the 5D3
or you will stay with the 6D ?

I already bought a 5D3. It arrives Thursday!


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Mar 18, 2014 20:21 |  #224

Congrats !
I like to see some photos with the Tamron 70-200


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Mar 18, 2014 23:20 |  #225

Talley, I use the BBF for both One-Shot and AIServo, although 95% of the time I am in AIServo. One Shot can be used in high FPS too. There is one priority option for the first photo, but you can be cranking more than one in high FPS so you need to give it the priorities for the second shot.

The 5DIII is (at least for the way I am shooting) even more responsive than the 60D. No noticeable lag (no lag period).


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