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Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 vs Sigma 35mm 1.4

 
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Mar 16, 2014 14:35 |  #1

At first this may seem like an odd comparison, but the more I think about it the harder this choice becomes. Besides the obvious of the 18-35 being crop-only and the 35 being a prime and slightly faster, what are the justifications of a crop shooter to choose the 35 over the 18-35 when you can set the 18-35 @ 35mm and use it there when you need it?

I've heard both lenses be described as "game-changers" and its not hard to be excited over them. They are both built well, are reasonably priced, and deliver great sharpness without the AF issues that plagued the older Sigma primes.

This is what some publications have to say about this:
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DPREVIEW (external link)

The Sigma 35mm F1.4 DG HSM impressed us hugely when we reviewed it at the end of last year, and is probably the sharpest 35mm F1.4 prime on the market. When tested on the same camera, the zoom may be just fractionally less sharp at large apertures, but you probably wouldn't see any difference in real world shooting. The zoom also has slightly higher vignetting and distortion, but lower chromatic aberration. From this data, you'd be hard pushed to see any meaningful differences between the two in side-by-side shooting. Remember this is the 18-35mm's weakest focal length.

DXOMARK (external link)

Our final comparison, ironically, has the new Sigma up against the firm’s new 35mm f/1.4 DG HSM A, the best performing full-frame 35mm lens in our database. Although it’s easier to make a high-speed 35mm than either a 24mm f/1.4 or a 18mm f/3.5, the Sigma 35mm is without doubt a superb performer optically and yet the new Sigma 18-35mm zoom comfortably achieves a higher DxOMark Score. The new zoom also has slightly higher levels of sharpness and has the edge in uniformity. Less important perhaps is the superior transmission score, while the differences between distortion, vignetting and chromatic aberration are practically negligible.

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I tested the sharpness of this lens in a number of situations, and found it to be pretty consistent and sharp at all focal lengths and apertures. Yes, it is most certainly sharpest between f/5.6 and f/7.1, with the best image quality at a wide angle produced at f/2.8. However, it still performs pretty well at f/1.8, just maybe not quite as good as many of us were hoping. It certainly is softer than the 35mm f/1.4, but is markedly better than any other variable focal length kit lens in this range that I have used.

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Compared to Primes and Zooms
As we already hinted a little bit, it’s hard to compare this lens to others because it goes in a completely new direction. While you might be tempted to compare the 18-35mm to “regular” 17-55mm f/2.8 mid-range zooms on a crop-sensor, in my opinion the Sigma compares better with primes. And as such, there simply is no single lens on the market that can compare; really you should be comparing the Sigma 18-35 against 2-3 primes. This introduces a whole can of worms- Firstly, there simply is no 18mm f/1.8 crop-sensor prime available. There’s the Sigma 20mm f/1.8, but it is pretty old and quite soft wide open. Next, the Canon / Nikon 24mm f/1.4‘s are very pricey full-frame lenses, so they are once again not very practical for a crop sensor shooter. Thus, we are left with 28mm f/1.8 primes (both Canon and Nikon make them) …and of course the 35mm f/1.8 and f/1.4 primes that are made specifically for crop-sensors. (Nikon and Sigma make some)

In this light, the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 makes a whole lot of sense. I work as a wedding photojournalist, and as far as mid-range lenses are concerned I would definitely rather have this Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 plus a more versatile zoom like the Nikon 16-85, instead of a single f/1.4 prime and a 17-55mm f/2.8 zoom.

If you’re having trouble wrapping your head around this whole comparison, just remember: Barely ~10-15 years ago people were having this very same discussion about f/2.8 zooms versus f/2.8 primes- f/2.8 zooms were finally becoming sharp enough that f/2.8 primes were becoming obsolete. Just some food for thought.

Compared to Full-Frame Options
Sure, there are pretty slim pickings for crop-sensor primes, and if you’re planning on sticking with crop-sensor cameras then the Sigma will be reigning champion for many years to come.

However, what about simply comparing the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 against, say, a full-frame camera and 2-3 primes, or an f/2.8 zoom? The DOF (depth of field, aka background blur) on an f/2.8 zoom on full-frame is about the same as the DOF of an f/1.8 zoom on a crop-sensor. And of course if you throw an f/1.8 or f/1.4 prime on full-frame, you’re certainly going to achieve more shallow DOF and better low-light performance overall.

At this point, the comparison becomes even more difficult. In my opinion however it is not fair to simply compare a single full-frame camera with one lens, and a single crop-sensor camera with one lens. You need to compare the systems as a whole.

Indeed, the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 at $799 is not cheap, and you can probably buy 2-3 equivalent full-frame primes for the same price- Nikon’s 28mm f/1.8 G and 50mm f/1.8 G would set you back about $800, for example, if you took advantage of one of Nikon’s common rebates.

However what most “FF fanboys” fail to do is, compare the entire system and overall long-term costs. And that way, any way you slice it, full-frame becomes more expensive than crop-sensors by $1,000-$3,000 or more.

The bottom line, to me, is that sensor technology has improved quite a lot over the past few years, and nowadays a crop sensor is really all I need for a lot of the casual / outdoor photography that I do. And with every year that passes, I become less interested in what setup is the absolute champion on paper, and more excited about which setup is smaller, lighter, affordable, and yet still sharp and detailed enough to make big prints.

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The big question is ‘Should I Buy This’ and that is somewhat of a tough question. Is it worth it? Absolutely the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 is worth every penny bringing top of the line build quality, amazingly wide apertures, zoom abilities, and fast autofocus for only $799. However, this is not quite ‘cheap’, especially for an APS-C camera and the zoom range is somewhat limited. If you were considering the Sigma 35mm f/1.4, 30mm 1.4, or a Canon/Nikon alternative, I would seriously consider the Sigma 18-35 as the flexible range more than makes up for the lost 2/3 stops of aperture. Also, if you find yourself shooting indoors in tight spaces and frequently use this focal range, the Sigma should be your top choice. While there are some compromises with the large size and somewhat limited range for a zoom lens, the Sigma 35mm f/1.8 HSM lens [sic- should be 18-35mm I believe] is by far one of the most amazing zoom lenses around.

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The comparison tools weren't perfect (different camera sensor, no 1.8 test setting for the 35mm prime), but from the looks of it, the 35 prime is alot sharper in the center near wide-open with the corners looking similar:

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Regardless of what conclusion we draw from this, it seems this is a great problem to have- who can't wait for more exciting gear? I sure can't.

Oh, and one more quote for people who in my boat:

LearningCameras 2013-07-21 00:08

I used to own the Sigma 17-50mm as well before I upgraded to full frame. The Sigma 18-35 is for sure a big upgrade. It is sharper, has faster AF, quieter AF, and has build quality of a pro end lens. However it is not stabilized so that is something to consider but it does have more than 1 stop wider aperture which is huge.




  
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Mar 16, 2014 14:43 |  #2

DarK_MischieF wrote in post #16762795 (external link)
At first this may seem like an odd comparison, but the more I think about it the harder this choice becomes. Besides the obvious of the 18-35 being crop-only and the 35 being a prime and slightly faster, what are the justifications of a crop shooter to choose the 35 over the 18-35 when you can set the 18-35 @ 35mm and use it there when you need it?

I've heard both lenses be described as "game-changers" and its not hard to be excited over them. They are both built well, are reasonably priced, and deliver great sharpness without the AF issues that plagued the older Sigma primes.

This is what some publications have to say about this:
NOTE- all titles are links to the actual review

DPREVIEW (external link)


DXOMARK (external link)


FSTOPPERS (external link)


SLRLOUNGE (external link)


LEARNINGCAMERAS (external link)


THE-DIGITAL-PICTURE (external link)
The comparison tools weren't perfect (different camera sensor, no 1.8 test setting for the 35mm prime), but from the looks of it, the 35 prime is alot sharper in the center near wide-open with the corners looking similar:

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Regardless of what conclusion we draw from this, it seems this is a great problem to have- who can't wait for more exciting gear? I sure can't.

Oh, and one more quote for people who in my boat:

LearningCameras 2013-07-21 00:08

Keep in mind that lenses like the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 usually have better performance on a full frame body than on crop. If you are planning to go full frame anytime soon then its an easy choice. But, if you are planning to stay on a crop body, for $100 less you can get the equally well built Sigma 18-35 which is a little slower but will give you better results on a crop body as well as the equivalent of a top of the line set of fast 20mm, 24mm, 28mm amd 35mm primes, not to mention everything in between. The lens is big and its heavy, but for me, it was a no brainer.


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Mar 16, 2014 18:57 |  #3

Not difficult at all. If you're on FF, you have no choice. If you're moving to FF within the next few months, you have no choice. If you aren't then the 18-35 is the easy choice.


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Mar 16, 2014 19:19 |  #4

Sirrith wrote in post #16763373 (external link)
Not difficult at all. If you're on FF, you have no choice. If you're moving to FF within the next few months, you have no choice. If you aren't then the 18-35 is the easy choice.

Agree. I love my 18-35. Even with its restricted focal range its attached to my 60D most of the time since I got it.


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Mar 16, 2014 20:38 |  #5
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Sirrith wrote in post #16763373 (external link)
Not difficult at all. If you're on FF, you have no choice. If you're moving to FF within the next few months, you have no choice. If you aren't then the 18-35 is the easy choice.

Largely correct. Except that if you are moving to FF shortly, nothing is keeping you from keeping the Sigma 18-35 with your APS-C sensor camera, AND shooting also with a FF camera. It's not either or. For many, including me, it's both.

BTW, I chose the Canon 35IS for the 6D. Why? Because its i.) lighter weight, ii.) smaller size, iii.) cheaper price, iv.) IS, and v.) reduced likelihood of (mis-)focusing woes.




  
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Mar 17, 2014 12:07 |  #6

OP,
Check slrgear gear review and blur chart. Sigma 18-35mm blur chart is crazy. These primes can not match its blur chat @ 18mm wide open with same aperture. Zooms can not match its blur chart wide open at any aperture. Not sure how much this translates into real world shooting. But I find it easy to understand these charts than photos.


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Mar 17, 2014 18:13 |  #7

khwaja wrote in post #16764881 (external link)
OP,
Check slrgear gear review and blur chart. Sigma 18-35mm blur chart is crazy. These primes can not match its blur chart @ 18mm wide open with same aperture. Zooms can not match its blur chart wide open at any aperture. Not sure how much this translates into real world shooting. But I find it easy to understand these charts than photos.

http://slrgear.com …igma18-35f18a/tloader.htm (external link)

Very interesting- I assume the more uniform and lower the chart is the better? Here is what SLRGEAR said:

This is an amazingly sharp lens, even wide open at ƒ/1.8, which is typically not the case with very wide-aperture lenses. At 18mm and ƒ/1.8, the Sigma shows very little corner softness and a good portion of the center and middle of the frame are very sharp indeed. As we've seen time and again, very wide-aperture lenses (> ƒ/2.8) can often show significant corner softness when used at their widest apertures, but the Sigma 18-35 not one of them. In this respect, it beats even many fast prime lenses in its focal length range.

Stopping down at the wide end, between ƒ/2 and ƒ/2.8 appears to be the sweet spot, in terms of center sharpness. At ƒ/2.8, the overall frame appears extremely sharp. Even stopping all the way down to ƒ/16, diffraction limiting is really quite minimal. As you can see in the Blur Index graph at right, variances in sharpness remain minimal at all apertures as you zoom out to 35mm. Even at 35mm at ƒ/16, diffraction effects are not significant. Overall, sharpness results for this lens are nothing short of stunning.




  
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Mar 17, 2014 18:48 as a reply to  @ DarK_MischieF's post |  #8

I had both the S35 and the S18-35 for a few months. I found the zoom to be a bit sharper at 35 then the prime on the 7D I had at the time. The Canon 35 IS I have now is not as sharp as the S35 by a hair, had to be at 100% to tell the difference. The 18-35 is sharper at 18 then both the 35's.

When it comes to focus the 35 IS is the best then the two Sigmas, very little difference but something you notice after a shoot in LR. I cant tell the difference in focus speed.


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Mar 17, 2014 18:57 |  #9
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Sigma really is to be congratulated for the zoom lens. The only other zoom lenses with which one has no qualms about shooting wide open at all focal ranges are the L telefoto zooms.




  
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Mar 18, 2014 14:10 |  #10

If I had an APS-C camera, I'd put the 18-35 on and forget the rest.




  
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Mar 18, 2014 18:54 |  #11

on a crop, i think it's a rather obvious choice...the 18-35mm


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Try shooting with it at F/3.2. Staggeringly sharp and contrasty, with all the residual CA of f/1.8 obliterated. Amazing IQ...




  
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Mar 20, 2014 14:59 |  #13

Just ordered an 18-35 after a few months of internal turmoil. Get it tomorrow. Cant wait to try it out over the weekend!


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Mar 20, 2014 15:26 |  #14

DreDaze wrote in post #16768679 (external link)
on a crop, i think it's a rather obvious choice...the 18-35mm

Agreed. One fast prime or several flash primes in one package? I'll take several in one package!




  
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Mar 22, 2014 07:14 as a reply to  @ gremlin75's post |  #15

18-35, you'll never regret buying it


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