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Probably going to stick to non-L "Consumer-grade" lenses: Missing the point of Canon?

 
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Mar 21, 2014 10:30 |  #31

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So you bought 3 cameras within the last 3 years or so? That's a pretty clear case of GAS :) I would personally ditch the hipster P&S (X100s) and replace it with a Sigma 35, 50 or 85 f/1.4 prime plus a Speedlite. The 6D is such a wonderful camera, and you're wasting all that DoF potential with a blind f/4 kit lens. Might as well ditch FF and keep the 100D + Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 or a 17-55 f/2.8 IS otherwise, if the "FF look"- DoF advantage is not your thing.

You've clearly never shot with a Fuji, especially the x100(s). They're so far from being a simple P&S it's ridiculous. Optical VF (which is really good btw), no AA filter, APS-C sensor, leaf shutter for 1/4000s flash sync speed and an f/2 35mm equivalent lens... yeah, just a P&S for hipsters... give me a break :rolleyes:


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Mar 21, 2014 10:36 |  #32

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You've clearly never shot with a Fuji, especially the x100(s). They're so far from being a simple P&S it's ridiculous. Optical VF (which is really good btw), no AA filter, APS-C sensor, leaf shutter for 1/4000s flash sync speed and an f/2 35mm equivalent lens... yeah, just a P&S for hipsters... give me a break :rolleyes:

I heard really good thing about them but I heard the AF system is kinda meh. I was watching Tony Northrop video and he had nothing but struggle to get in focus.


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Mar 21, 2014 10:41 |  #33

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I heard really good thing about them but I heard the AF system is kinda meh. I was watching Tony Northrop video and he had nothing but struggle to get in focus.

The focus speed isn't what you buy a camera like that for. My X-E1 certainly wouldn't blow anyone away with it's AF either, but it's more than up to the task for most subjects, and the X100s focuses faster than the X-E1.


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Mar 21, 2014 10:48 |  #34

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The focus speed isn't what you buy a camera like that for. My X-E1 certainly wouldn't blow anyone away with it's AF either, but it's more than up to the task for most subjects, and the X100s focuses faster than the X-E1.

I thought the Olympus had a better AF than the Fuji but I really loved the EVF on the Fuji. If I was in the market for an mirrorless I would torn between the two but probably pick olympus because there is more micro thirds lens available.


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Mar 21, 2014 11:04 |  #35

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I thought the Olympus had a better AF than the Fuji but I really loved the EVF on the Fuji. If I was in the market for an mirrorless I would torn between the two but probably pick olympus because there is more micro thirds lens available.

More, but few are better than the Fuji offerings. I have yet to read a review for even a mediocre Fuji lens, all of them are great. And now with the X-T1 the focus is as good or better than anything on the market as well only with what pretty much everyone considers to be the best EVF on the market.


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Mar 21, 2014 11:14 |  #36

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More, but few are better than the Fuji offerings. I have yet to read a review for even a mediocre Fuji lens, all of them are great. And now with the X-T1 the focus is as good or better than anything on the market as well only with what pretty much everyone considers to be the best EVF on the market.

Take a look at this video. You may be surprise by the result : http://www.youtube.com …=UUDkJEEIifDzR_​2K2p9tnwYQ (external link)

I didn't see they re-tested. Seems to be doing better : http://www.youtube.com …=UUDkJEEIifDzR_​2K2p9tnwYQ (external link)


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Mar 21, 2014 11:20 |  #37

Dragos Jianu wrote in post #16774914 (external link)
So you bought 3 cameras within the last 3 years or so? That's a pretty clear case of GAS :) I would personally ditch the hipster P&S (X100s) and replace it with a Sigma 35, 50 or 85 f/1.4 prime plus a Speedlite. The 6D is such a wonderful camera, and you're wasting all that DoF potential with a blind f/4 kit lens. Might as well ditch FF and keep the 100D + Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 or a 17-55 f/2.8 IS otherwise, if the "FF look"- DoF advantage is not your thing.

I definitely have some GAS. But calling the X100s a hipster P&S is just a flat out ridiculous statement.




  
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Mar 21, 2014 11:25 |  #38

I don't understand the ask.

You like the 6D and the 24-105 and the 50/1.8 and feel you still have room to improve with those tools. You weren't using the 70-200 and you sold it. You prefer using the X100S as a carry-around camera. I don't see anything "wrong" with any of that, or anything about how/what you shoot that screams out for replacement with another system, mirrorless or DSLR.

There are plenty of fine non-L, or even non-Canon lenses. Nobody is going to penalize you for owning a 6D and not buying $10k on L glass except for yourself. If you can't quantify exactly what you will gain from changing systems then you should shoot more with what you've got until you do. Shoot until you hit the wall with your current gear and then consider your options.


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Mar 21, 2014 11:38 |  #39

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I heard really good thing about them but I heard the AF system is kinda meh. I was watching Tony Northrop video and he had nothing but struggle to get in focus.

I can only speak to the X100s, since that's the only Fuji camera I've used. I think I'm generally pretty objective about gear since I'm not really married to one particular brand so I lack fanboism. The AF system on this is REALLY fast and pretty good even in low light, but it can occasionally have accuracy problems and miss focus. For example sometimes if I focus on the edge of an object I want in focus, it'll instead focus on an area behind that object. I work around this by using EVF for focusing (or the lovely MF) or focusing on a larger area and then recomposing.

Another oft-brought up issue that I see myself with the X100s is over-aggressive noise reduction starting at ISO 3200 that impacts skin color, giving it a really "waxy" artificial look. At high ISOs if I'm shooting people I just shoot raw because of this.

And there are some other "quirks" too, because of the leaf shutter you max out at 1/1000 shutter speed wide open at f/2, but there's a built-in ND filter for that.

But the X100s is a hoot to shoot with, and I think the first piece of "gear" that has actually made me a better photographer. The fun to shoot factor has led me to go out and shoot more, which always helps. And I learned how to zone focus because of how easy it is to manually focus on this thing.

The X100s, like every other camera out there, is not perfect. But because of its fun to shoot nature and the lovely pictures I can get out of it, instead of giving up on it because of its faults or just dealing with them, I've actively tried to learn to work around those faults with better technique, or just studying the camera more. And I've starting applying that lesson to my other cameras as well, and that has actually started helping me REDUCE my GAS and really focus on maximizing the gear I own. So ultimately, much more than a "hipster P&S".




  
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Mar 21, 2014 13:31 |  #40

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Take a look at this video. You may be surprise by the result : http://www.youtube.com …=UUDkJEEIifDzR_​2K2p9tnwYQ (external link)

I didn't see they re-tested. Seems to be doing better : http://www.youtube.com …=UUDkJEEIifDzR_​2K2p9tnwYQ (external link)

So like I said... as good as anything else on the market, provided you bother to read the manual.


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Mar 21, 2014 14:13 |  #41

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So like I said... as good as anything else on the market, provided you bother to read the manual.

Its a weird decision of Fuji to not enable the high performance AF by default. The general impression I get from this camera is that it has potential but its not there yet. Its missing something. its quirky in some of the operations.

For the price they are selling the Fuji XT-1. I would prefer a Nikon 610D or a Canon 6D. That's just me. I don't mind bigger camera.


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Mar 21, 2014 14:14 |  #42

I have an 85mm 1.8 for sale. Just saying if you're interested.


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