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Mar 18, 2014 14:48 |  #1

Recently I was asked to shoot a prom for a small private school in the area and I was hoping some of you more experienced people could help make sure I have the proper workflow.

The setup

  • The school is providing a New York themed backdrop
  • Canon 5d MkII
  • (1)Einstein E640 (shooting through 48" umbrella)
  • (1)AB800 (shooting through 48" umbrella)
  • (6) 16GB Lexar CF Cards
  • 1D Mark IV as a backup camera
  • 70-200mm IS II (too long im)
  • 35mm 1.4L (possibly too wide?)
  • Rent 50 1.2 or 85 1.2??


General Lighting setup - Basically a butterfly setup
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Pre-Sale
I'm offering pre-sale packages at a cheaper rate for obvious reasons. I set up a Pre-Sale page on my website and used edwic for the storefront.

http://www.kinetic-stills.com/iow/ (external link)

Pre-Sale Pricing
Prom Package #1
$35.00

(2) Poses per couple/individual
(2) 8×10
(8) Wallets
$35.00 in advance
$40.00 at the door (cash only – no checks)

Prom Package #2
$45.00

(2) Poses per couple/individual
(2) 5×7
(2) 8×10
(8) Wallets
$45.00 in advance
$50.00 at the door (cash only – no checks)

Add-On Options To Either Package
(2) 4×5 Prints (+$4.00)
(1) 5×7 Print (+$6.00)
(1) 8×10 Print (+$8.00)
(4) 3×5 Wallets [addition to the 8] (+$6.00)
Additional Pose (+$5.00)


Workflow Pre-Sale
For pre-sales I will already have the information from purchaser. This will include their mailing address and I have also included an additional line for the students name in case their is a difference in last name.

They will get confirmation on their payment and the package they ordered. I will review the package and file it in alphabetical order using the students last name.

When they arrive at the prom, they will fill out a form that tells my assistant they are a pre-paid student. We will then retrieve their information we via our pre-paid filing box.

Once located out assistant will go over the general poses etc.

Workflow At-The-Door
Sales at the door will be paid via Square. I have adjusted the pricing of each package to reflect the charges I will acquire through Square so no profit is lost as well.

Student will walk up to the booth area and I will have forms for them to fill out getting their general information. Once they complete that information, I will have an assistant go over basic poses etc. Once it's their turn I will get the sheet and we will take their pictures. I will then write the image number on the sheet and hand it to my other assistant to file alphabetically using their last name. This assistant will also collect payment. The assistant will then also mark the form as "paid" once the transaction is completed and I may also require the student to sign the form once the payment is complete.

Post Production
Once the Prom is over and I have all of the pictures upload to my machine, I will then submit each order to my vendor to fufill and ship them directly to each students home. All of the images will also be uploaded to Zenfolio or a similar site in case someone wants to order additional photos down the road.

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Questions I Have:

Does my workflow sound efficient?
I plan on doing a fake trial run with a bunch of friends just to see how it goes.

Would you add a 3rd light to the mix?

Any additional tips/advice?


This is my first (prom) rodeo and I haven't had the luck of working with someone else in this type of situation so it's all been about researching the forum and using Google to the best of my ability. Also this might be worthwhile to note for others. I am being paid a flat fee of $450 just to be there with 100% profit from sales. No part of my sales will be returned to the school unless I donate part of the proceed (which I am considering if this is a sucess)

Any and all tips would be greatly appreciated!



  
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Mar 18, 2014 14:54 |  #2

I dont think I would go with a butterfly light. In fact I would probably suggest going with the Einstein and a Large PLM directly above the camera. You get a big flood of light across the entire scene. The lighting is a bit flat, but it flattering for all sorts of folks and because its even across the scene you dont have to worry if two (or more) couples want to do a group shot.




  
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Mar 18, 2014 14:57 |  #3

gonzogolf wrote in post #16768052 (external link)
I dont think I would go with a butterfly light. In fact I would probably suggest going with the Einstein and a Large PLM directly above the camera. You get a big flood of light across the entire scene. The lighting is a bit flat, but it flattering for all sorts of folks and because its even across the scene you dont have to worry if two (or more) couples want to do a group shot.

You know that was originally my inital idea but I wasn't sure how well it would work. Especially if there were couples trying to stand 4-6 deep. Maybe I'll give that a whirl in my fake prom run to see how well it works.

I have yet to check out the venue so I am clueless on ceiling height or wall colors etc. That could play a small part as well.




  
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Mar 18, 2014 15:00 |  #4

Same conversation going on over here. https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1366799 I posted a couple of links using that technique.




  
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Mar 18, 2014 15:03 |  #5

Wow yeah that's a similar situation to mine lol. thanks for the link.

The one image with the white background should look decent because of the reflection off the backdrop. In my case the backdrop won't be white so I'm wondering how much of an issue that may cause if I use a single light.




  
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Apr 25, 2014 13:07 |  #6

So the prom is tonight and I thought I might give a little update.

The theme is NYC and they have done a great job with the background. I was really impressed with what they came up with and glad I don't have to provide a backdrop of any sort (not that it's a big deal).

One curve ball thrown my way was the ceiling height. It's probably only 7-8' tall, which isn't a terrible thing. It's also white, so that's one benefit.

I actually plan on shooting with 1 light shooting into an 43" umbrella (my 62" is too large to fit with the low ceiling) bouncing back at the subjects. The light will be a little off center, angled down with a reflector on the opposing side. I took some test shots and it works out really well. The ceiling has to be a major contributor in why there are minimal shadows.

We've been back and forth on whether or not we are letting the kids view images and we ended up deciding not to allow this. The main reason is because we didn't want that one couple whining and complaining on how they looked. Especially with the images being SOOC.

So here is our workflow: (3 people)

Kids will come up to Person A and they will fill out a form that lists the packages and options on one side. We are offering 3 packages (see below for the breakdown). They will also be paying Person A via cash or CC (we use square). Once the transaction is completed and the form is filled out they will go into a waiting area.

We are only allow 2 couples max in the waiting area. When one couple is done being photographed, Person B will direct a couple that is waiting into position. They will make sure the dress, hair, etc. is fine. Once I get the all clear, I will snap the shot.

Once done, they will simply go back to the party.

Our setup is pretty simple and straight forward. It's not flashy and I think that will keep us on task. Even though I have an event printer, this venue is too small and I don't think it's really worth the hassle of bringing all of the equipment and printing on the spot. I'm willing to ship photos after the fact and take a minor loss in profit.

As for our packages below is the breakdown. There really isn't much rhyme or reason to our pricing as we tried to gauge the market and everyone is all of the place. So I guess I joined in the mix.

Basic Package: (2) 5x7 prints - $25.00
Package #1 : (2) 8x10 (8) Wallets - $35.00
Package #2: (2) 8x10 (2) 5x7 (8) Wallets - $45.00

Add-On Options to any package:
(2) 4x6 - $4.00
(1) 5x7 - $6.00
(1) 8x10 - $8.00
(4) Wallets - $6.00
Additional Pose - $6.00


So with them not being able to view their photos at the prom, we are actually going to allow them to choose their photos online. This will allow them to see the photos and decide I which photo will look best in 8x10, 5x7 etc... I am hoping it might actually allow them to buy more outside of their package as well.

Also worth mentioning, I believe they said there would be 50-60 couples at this prom. So far we have had 9 pre-orders which put us around the mid $300's. The school has also paid me $450 just to be there whether any sales were made or not. So currently we're at around $820-$830 in sales. Take out taxes and shipping and we are most likely around $750 so far.

Wish me luck tonight. I've got some great helpers keeping the setup in check and making sure we stay focused.




  
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Apr 25, 2014 15:03 |  #7

Hybrid,

I've really enjoyed following this thread and living vicariously through your big event. Sending lots positive vibes your way for a smooth and successful night! I'm sure you will, but I would love to hear a follow-up after tonight and after everything is through.

Thanks again and Good Luck! You've really thought things through, so I'm sure things will go well.

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Apr 25, 2014 15:17 |  #8

Thanks for the kind words. I think it will be a smooth night overall so fingers crossed.


And in other news: Tornado watch just came in effect for our area.

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Apr 25, 2014 15:23 |  #9

You're basically doing studio. You don't need super fast primes as you aren't (or shouldn't) be shooting at f/1.2. A 24-105 should be fine. What lenses do you have?


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Apr 25, 2014 15:25 |  #10

Good luck. Will you watermark the images so they won't try to print.


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Apr 25, 2014 15:26 |  #11

Why isnt your fill on the camera axis? setting them off at 45 degrees just invites two shadows




  
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Apr 25, 2014 15:38 |  #12

gonzogolf wrote in post #16861122 (external link)
Why isnt your fill on the camera axis? setting them off at 45 degrees just invites two shadows

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Apr 25, 2014 16:02 |  #13

Hybrid AWD wrote in post #16861101 (external link)
And in other news: Tornado watch just came in effect for our area.
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LOL! :lol:

Have fun tonight,
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Apr 27, 2014 10:25 |  #14

gonzogolf wrote in post #16861122 (external link)
Why isnt your fill on the camera axis? setting them off at 45 degrees just invites two shadows

windpig wrote in post #16861145 (external link)
This

With the ceiling height and the smaller umbrella I was casting a bad shadow on the subjects.

I actually played around with the 64" (meant 64" in previous posts) umbrella and ended up shooting with that as instead of the smaller one. Even then I was still casting a shadow because I could not get the proper height needed to allow me to shoot in front of the umbrella.

Luckily with the ceilings being white I think the lighting was soft enough and didn't cause too harsh of shadows. To me they look like they fall off nicely.

Ex:

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Overall the night, imo, was a big sucess. We ended up selling $1300 worth of packages. Including the $450 to be on site, that's a $1750 total.

There is plenty of room to learn and grow from that experience and we really hope to do that. One of our biggest things is becoming more streamlined with the actually shooting. It was hard for me to accept the "take two shots and move on" aspect. Being that they had a bench as prop, I wanted a bench shot and standing shot of each couple. Probably should have made them choose but live and learn.

Another thing I know I would like to get away from is the PCB commander. That thing is just confusing to me. I had such a hard time trying to get it to sync with the einstein and ended up just shooting with the cable. I'll admit I didn't take the time to read through the entire manual but it shouldn't be that complex to sync 1 light.

Lastly, remember that tornado watch I mentioned. Well it was basically a nice thunderstorm and where there is thunder, there is lightning. Being that the E640 can be optically flashed.... the lightning was being pretty rude and setting off the flash. It was humorous at first but then became annoying at the night when on. Thinking back I probably should have just covered the sense with tape. Again, live and learn.



  
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Apr 27, 2014 10:53 |  #15

Oh I meant to ask a question as well. For those of you shooting these types of events are you uploading the photos to an online site for them to choose which ones they want or are you printing "the best" and fufilling their packages for them?




  
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