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Time for IS in 50mm and 85mm or even 135mm

 
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Mar 26, 2014 15:49 |  #46

SamFrench wrote in post #16778293 (external link)
Why not build IS into the camera body / sensor assembly?
Oh no - I can feel the heat already..... Let me put my asbestos suit on......
Lol.

God, after seeing a sony A850 on CraigsList for under 900 bucks, it sure is tempting!

Also, imagine how much less ammunition canon would have for asking insane prices on lenses...


If I was in business for the consumers, id have chosen sensor shift, if i was in business to make money, Id do what canon has become really good at. doing NOTHING.


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Mar 26, 2014 15:57 |  #47

Charlie wrote in post #16788518 (external link)
from my understanding, a failed inbody IS wouldnt matter much since you can turn it off anyhow. On top of that, I think in body IS is probably a lot less likely to fail due to the size and weight of the sensor.

I'm sure sony or olympus have these numbers.

If it's the "shaker" that fails, then you could consider turning in-body IS off.

Potentially, the sensor would be slightly shifted horisontally or vertically, unless there is some spring that centers it. The amount of sensor shift would greatly affect how large focal lengths that would be meaningful to try to stabilize - the required sensor shift increases proportionally with the focal length of the lens.

But shifting the sensor means that there must be some constantly vibrating signal and Power connection between the sensor and the camera electronics. If this connection fails, then it wouldn't matter how much you play with any IS on/off settings.

Small P&S cameras have tiny sensors. So they manage a long reach (narrow field-of-view) with very short focal length lenses. So they can make do with quite small sensor shifts.

If a full-frame body has four times wider sensor, then it needs a four times longer lens to get the same field-of-view. And it also needs to shake the sensor four times as much to manage the same amount of stabilization. So the connections between sensor and camera electronics must be able to stand a four times larger amplitude of sensor shake.

This is a big reason why a mechanical sensor shift is so much easier to incorporate in P&S cameras, while the problems crops up if going the same route with a full-frame body.


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Mar 26, 2014 17:18 |  #48

pwm2 wrote in post #16788539 (external link)
If a full-frame body has four times wider sensor, then it needs a four times longer lens to get the same field-of-view. And it also needs to shake the sensor four times as much to manage the same amount of stabilization. So the connections between sensor and camera electronics must be able to stand a four times larger amplitude of sensor shake.

I'de be happy with with something like 3 stops up to 50mm, 2 stops up to 100mm and 1 stop up to 200mm. I think something to that degree would be a realistic starting point and still help a ton.


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Mar 26, 2014 17:55 |  #49

"I am glad companies like tamron and sigmas are trying to step up. Competition is good for consumers. So whoever makes the first 135 1.8 IS under $1000, I'm pre-ordering."

Doesn't Sigma make a decent stabilized 105 for under $1K?




  
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Mar 26, 2014 18:05 |  #50

Charlie wrote in post #16788719 (external link)
I'de be happy with with something like 3 stops up to 50mm, 2 stops up to 100mm and 1 stop up to 200mm. I think something to that degree would be a realistic starting point and still help a ton.

That ability is already possible with in-body IS. But unless the camera has an electronic viewfinder, there will be no reduction of shake in the viewfinder.


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