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T5i image at 55mm compared to crop

 
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Mar 23, 2014 23:10 |  #1

I am a recent owner of a T5i with 18-55mm IS STM lens. I took this shot during the day but in an area that was not getting any direct sunlight. Well lit but mostly by ambient light.

I want to know how I did on this shot. I did shoot this in the RAW and converted to JPG using DPP without any adjustments (took the defaults) Not sure if Unsharp Mask is defaulted at Strength(3), Fineness(7) and Threshold(2) but that is what always defaults and that was applied to JPG output at Quality 10.

The second image is a simple crop of the JPG.


I am looking for feedback to know what I could have done better in this situation to make this image better...or did I do a pretty good job and I am seeing the best out of this equipment?

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Camera Model Canon EOS REBEL T5i
Firmware Firmware Version 1.1.1
Shooting Date/Time 3/23/2014 4:45:43 PM
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Shooting Mode Manual Exposure
Tv(Shutter Speed) 1/250
Av(Aperture Value) 5.6
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
ISO Speed 800
Auto ISO Speed OFF
Lens EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
Focal Length 55.0mm
Image Size 5184x3456
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
FE lock OFF
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode AI Servo AF
AF area select mode Manual selection
Picture Style Auto
Sharpness 3

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Camera Model Canon EOS REBEL T5i
Firmware Firmware Version 1.1.1
Shooting Date/Time 3/23/2014 4:45:43 PM
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Owner's Name
Shooting Mode Manual Exposure
Tv(Shutter Speed) 1/250
Av(Aperture Value) 5.6
Metering Mode Evaluative Metering
ISO Speed 800
Auto ISO Speed OFF
Lens EF-S18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
Focal Length 55.0mm
Image Size 5184x3456
Image Quality Fine
Flash Off
FE lock OFF
White Balance Mode Auto
AF Mode AI Servo AF
AF area select mode Manual selection
Picture Style Auto
Sharpness 3

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Mar 23, 2014 23:29 |  #2

You're on the right track. Single shot AF might have been a better choice than Servo, but it wouldn't have changed the result much if at all.

As for post processing, a bit more sharpening could be in order. Remember, sharpen last, once you have your print/display size sorted.

As it is though, I wonder at the softness that is there. Using a filter? Take it off and see how you get on.




  
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Mar 23, 2014 23:43 as a reply to  @ xarqi's post |  #3

To put your mind at ease, the T5i (700D) is capable of stunning images.


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Mar 24, 2014 04:53 |  #4

Just to clarify, dpp uses whatever settings you have in camera, including whatever picture style you have set up. It doesn't have its own defaults.


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Mar 24, 2014 10:17 |  #5

TeamSpeed wrote in post #16781642 (external link)
Just to clarify, dpp uses whatever settings you have in camera, including whatever picture style you have set up. It doesn't have its own defaults.

Yep.... It doesn't really matter what settings you have in the camera when you shoot raw, you can always make adjustments in DPP, Lightroom, or whatever. If you want to have the camera set for close to what you'll use in DPP you might want to increase the sharpness setting, and maybe a +1 for saturation as well.

Also, I hope you realize that very soon money is going to start seeping out of your pockets in the never ending pursuit of better and better lenses.




  
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Mar 24, 2014 10:23 |  #6

Heya,

Actually pretty decent considering you're cropping away 75% of the image or more, and it's still reasonably sharp.

I think the key to your future images, is to focus on exposure. I think this image is a little under-exposed. You could have used a slower shutter speed, or another stop of ISO to get the exposure up a bit. I would really suggest trying to shoot manual, like a shutter of whatever you want based on metering an area and getting and idea of what you need, and aperture whatever you want it to be (maybe stop it down by 1 stop, it sharpens up even more). And then set ISO to auto. Then the only variable is ISO and it generally does a good job. Set the EC maybe to +1/3rd stop, so it generates a wee bit more of exposure, as you expose to the right a touch, making it easier to correct in post.

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Mar 24, 2014 10:23 |  #7

groundloop wrote in post #16782181 (external link)
Yep.... It doesn't really matter what settings you have in the camera when you shoot raw, you can always make adjustments in DPP, Lightroom, or whatever. If you want to have the camera set for close to what you'll use in DPP you might want to increase the sharpness setting, and maybe a +1 for saturation as well.

I am a bit confused by this comment. DPP will take your camera settings and will apply them in their entirety to your raw image as soon as you pull it, then you can tweak those settings if you want. You don't have to do anything in the camera to get close to what you will use in DPP. I think I might be missing the intention of the bolded statement.


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Mar 24, 2014 10:27 |  #8

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I think I might be missing the intention of the bolded statement.

I'm in total agreement with you.... just meant that if he wants to minimize the amount of adjusting to be done in DPP on the raw images he can put the desired presets into the camera.




  
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Mar 24, 2014 10:55 |  #9

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I'm in total agreement with you.... just meant that if he wants to minimize the amount of adjusting to be done in DPP on the raw images he can put the desired presets into the camera.

Ah gotcha, perfect! :)


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Mar 24, 2014 20:39 |  #10

xarqi wrote in post #16781300 (external link)
You're on the right track. Single shot AF might have been a better choice than Servo, but it wouldn't have changed the result much if at all.

As for post processing, a bit more sharpening could be in order. Remember, sharpen last, once you have your print/display size sorted.

As it is though, I wonder at the softness that is there. Using a filter? Take it off and see how you get on.

No, I am not using any filter.

groundloop wrote in post #16782181 (external link)
Yep.... It doesn't really matter what settings you have in the camera when you shoot raw, you can always make adjustments in DPP, Lightroom, or whatever. If you want to have the camera set for close to what you'll use in DPP you might want to increase the sharpness setting, and maybe a +1 for saturation as well.

Also, I hope you realize that very soon money is going to start seeping out of your pockets in the never ending pursuit of better and better lenses.

Thanks! And yes, I know about the lenses and I am excited about the pursuit!

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Heya,

Actually pretty decent considering you're cropping away 75% of the image or more, and it's still reasonably sharp.

I think the key to your future images, is to focus on exposure. I think this image is a little under-exposed. You could have used a slower shutter speed, or another stop of ISO to get the exposure up a bit. I would really suggest trying to shoot manual, like a shutter of whatever you want based on metering an area and getting and idea of what you need, and aperture whatever you want it to be (maybe stop it down by 1 stop, it sharpens up even more). And then set ISO to auto. Then the only variable is ISO and it generally does a good job. Set the EC maybe to +1/3rd stop, so it generates a wee bit more of exposure, as you expose to the right a touch, making it easier to correct in post.

Very best,

I was shooting in Manual, but I do see your point about making sure the Exposure is right. Since this camera is new to me, I have been Manually exposing to center of the meter...I will keep this tip in mind and expose it a little more.


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Mar 24, 2014 20:50 |  #11

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I was shooting in Manual, but I do see your point about making sure the Exposure is right. Since this camera is new to me, I have been Manually exposing to center of the meter...I will keep this tip in mind and expose it a little more.

Heya,

Just don't be afraid to use ISO. You can get ISO 1600 from that T5i and hardly know it, on a well exposed image. ISO is only messy when you're under-exposed and when you are past the threshold of the true ISO ability, I find the newest Rebels and similar sensors, to do well up to ISO 1600~3200 on well exposed images. ISO 6400+ will require some serious clean up, except on some really well exposed images. Even then, it's not horrible. I would much rather have to do noise clean up, than try to work an underexposed image. Especially when it comes to wild life. Exposure it everything.

Working in manual is great. Using the meter is a great way to see how you're exposing too. So when you do that, have it just a touch to the right of the zero marker, and see how it goes, even if it's just a 1/3rd stop difference. I use AUTO ISO a lot in manual mode, both for shoots outside for portraits, as well as for wildlife (birds mostly). If the exposure is good, the ISO level really isn't a big deal up to a point.

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