6D & 5D3 Raw images @ 12,800

This topic actually made me do test videos with my 6D and 70D to see which one has more moire (interesting alliteration )

I think the 70D is a tad better in this test, the 6D is a bit sharper but has more moire.

It makes me wonder if that's something Canon could (but do they want to?) fix via firmware. I mean the 5DIII does not seem to have any stronger AA filter, so I suspect the difference in aliasing and moire are a result of different processing and not something physical inside the camera.
Maybe you guys already know why this is...

So perhaps Canon could help us out with a firmware.

Talley wrote in post #16784671
Yup.

I like the idea alot. Seems to work very good.


This main page has a before/after video: http://mosaicengineeri​ng.com/products/vaf/6d​/main.html

Wow, what a difference.

I'm encouraged by some of these 6D vs 5D III threads (if not by the argumentativeness of a few zealots). On an emotional investment level it can seem somewhat disturbing to see a less expensive model outperforming a more expensive one in some way. But, it is comforting to see solid evidence that Canon is making measurable strides in improving the performance of their sensors. The 6D's sensor performs better simply because it's new and improved. I'm looking forward to yet another step when Canon releases the 5D IV (in 2015 I hope).

As for the moire/aliasing issue, I did an experiment a while ago, where I compared the native, normal 1080p footage from my 70D to the 3x digital zoom footage, which at 3x uses the central part of the sensor at 1:1 pixel ratio. So basically there is no downsampling taking place, at least as far as I know that's how the 3x-10x zoom works. Obviously, once you start zooming in, you are doing digital zoom (in 1080P mode), so only 3x zoom matters here.

I found that while sharpness is a tiny bit reduced, so is moire and aliasing. So this makes me conclude that processing also contributed to the more/aliasing issue, just like I said in my earlier post.

David Arbogast wrote in post #16784680
I'm encouraged by some of these 6D vs 5D III threads (if not by the argumentativeness of a few zealots). On an emotional investment level it can seem somewhat disturbing to see a less expensive model outperforming a more expensive one. But, it is comforting to see solid evidence that Canon is making measurable strides in improving the performance of their sensors. The 6D's sensor performs better simply because it's new and improved. I'm looking forward to yet another step when Canon releases the 5D IV (in 2015 I hope).

5D3 will be a 4 year old camera. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly about this.

They will milk it. The 7D was announced 9/1/09 and available shortly after. Seriously IF/when they do release a 7D2 it will be around that same time in 2014. 5 years on a camera.

5D4 will be Spring 2016.

again my opinion

gabebalazs wrote in post #16784683
As for the moire/aliasing issue, I did an experiment a while ago, where I compared the native, normal 1080p footage from my 70D to the 3x digital zoom footage, which at 3x uses the central part of the sensor at 1:1 pixel ratio. So basically there is no downsampling taking place, at least as far as I know that's how the 3x-10x zoom works. Obviously, once you start zooming in, you are doing digital zoom (in 1080P mode), so only 3x zoom matters here.

I found that while sharpness is a tiny bit reduced, so is moire and aliasing. So this makes me conclude that processing also contributed to the more/aliasing issue, just like I said in my earlier post.

the 70D has that feature too? I loved that on the T3i. 3x zoom looks great.

Let me get this straight. So, after all of your recent posts about switching to the 5DIII your now having second thoughts?? Please say it ain't so. I think you need to spend more time taking pictures and less time obsessing over things. (but I still love your posts)

Talley wrote in post #16784690
the 70D has that feature too? I loved that on the T3i. 3x zoom looks great.

Yes, it does

Talley wrote in post #16784688
5D3 will be a 4 year old camera. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly about this.

They will milk it. The 7D was announced 9/1/09 and available shortly after. Seriously IF/when they do release a 7D2 it will be around that same time in 2014. 5 years on a camera.

5D4 will be Spring 2016.

again my opinion

That sounds reasonable, but I see no reason for "feeling very strongly about it"...this isn't religion; no need for feeling strongly about your beliefs regarding camera release schedules.

Buylongterm wrote in post #16784692
Let me get this straight. So, after all of your recent posts about switching to the 5DIII your now having second thoughts?? Please say it ain't so. I think you need to spend more time taking pictures and less time obsessing over things. (but I still love your posts)

As a Talley thread stalker I can vouch for him in saying that he always had second thoughts about switching to the 5DIII, but felt it was an option he needed to try for his photographic needs.

I shot 5d mkiii then replaced it with a 6d. I'm the one who went backwards. I really like the 6d, 7d combination.

Buylongterm wrote in post #16784692
Let me get this straight. So, after all of your recent posts about switching to the 5DIII your now having second thoughts?? Please say it ain't so. I think you need to spend more time taking pictures and less time obsessing over things. (but I still love your posts)

After owning a 6D for a year and then 5D3 first weekend out and seeing the difference in IQ at ISO 6400-25,600 I very much noticed a difference in noise.

You see I'm not obsessing over anything. I'm trying to fulfill my needs. How am I suppose to do that reading specs on paper? The only way is buy and try. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. 5D3 is an amazing camera. I also look at things from a cost perspective. I know everyone here has seen how much money I've invested the past few months on glass and such but with anything I have a reason. The 300 purchase was to A: Let me try it out and get a feel for what amazing glass is like B: use it for 2 months during cheer season for my daughter and C: buy low sell high I essentially wanted a free 2 month rental on the 300 so I managed to find a great deal and I'll pass that great deal onto someone else who needs it. I've since purchased a much more economical of a decision 120-300 2.8 OS for a great price. Again... if I choose not to keep the lens then I'll have a free rental and pass that great deal price to someone else who can use it.

The 5D3 was just average pricing. IF I sell it I'll take a hundred or so loss. My 6D if I sell I'll lose a few hundered on it also.

I'm just borrowing gear and TRYING it in my real world use to get a feel for what satifies my needs (not wants) the best.

One thing I think about is the 70D would get me the reach I need on my 70-200 and I wouldn't need any 300mm glass. At this point the price of the 5D3 is more than a 6D/70D combo.

All I can do is buy and try and I try to do that with a minimal amount of impact on my wallet.

I shoot both the 5DIII and the 6D. The former is simply a superior camera.

mickeyb105 wrote in post #16784743
As a Talley thread stalker I can vouch for him in saying that he always had second thoughts about switching to the 5DIII, but felt it was an option he needed to try for his photographic needs.

Stalker Thank you.. your post is a quick summary of my feelings.

ChuckingFluff wrote in post #16784746
I shot 5d mkiii then replaced it with a 6d. I'm the one who went backwards. I really like the 6d, 7d combination.

The 7D is more of a economical choice than the 70D but the 70D has cool video stuff along with newer silent shutter, W/T AF microadjustment, minimum shutter and such.

BUT it's a good choice also. I can find a decent body from $650-700 right now. This would fulfill my field sports/daytime cheer stuff needs.

Talley wrote in post #16784751
After owning a 6D for a year and then 5D3 first weekend out and seeing the difference in IQ at ISO 6400-25,600 I very much noticed a difference in noise.

You see I'm not obsessing over anything. I'm trying to fulfill my needs. How am I suppose to do that reading specs on paper? The only way is buy and try. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out. 5D3 is an amazing camera. I also look at things from a cost perspective. I know everyone here has seen how much money I've invested the past few months on glass and such but with anything I have a reason. The 300 purchase was to A: Let me try it out and get a feel for what amazing glass is like B: use it for 2 months during cheer season for my daughter and C: buy low sell high I essentially wanted a free 2 month rental on the 300 so I managed to find a great deal and I'll pass that great deal onto someone else who needs it. I've since purchased a much more economical of a decision 120-300 2.8 OS for a great price. Again... if I choose not to keep the lens then I'll have a free rental and pass that great deal price to someone else who can use it.

The 5D3 was just average pricing. IF I sell it I'll take a hundred or so loss. My 6D if I sell I'll lose a few hundered on it also.

I'm just borrowing gear and TRYING it in my real world use to get a feel for what satifies my needs (not wants) the best.

One thing I think about is the 70D would get me the reach I need on my 70-200 and I wouldn't need any 300mm glass. At this point the price of the 5D3 is more than a 6D/70D combo.

All I can do is buy and try and I try to do that with a minimal amount of impact on my wallet.

I agree, there is nothing wrong with experimenting to find your ideal gear, espcially if you're not losing much money in the process. I do that all the time too
Heck, I've had about 65(!) guitars in my life, I stopped counting after 50... I bought them here in the USA, used them, played a couple gigs, then sold them in my home country of Hungary for profit (mainly before Hungary joined the EU and markets were limited.) I've made a few thousand dollars through the years and eventually found my current guitar which I've used for years now (Suhr S-1 Pro Strat)

Of course, there are gear that you buy as an early adopter and if you decide to sell it later, you'll take a hit, but that's part of the game. I'm sure there are other pieces of gear that you can actually use and sell for a small profit. If the aggregate comes out to near 0, then you're doing a good job and learning and enjoying "testing" gear in the meantime.